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i think our Little Libya village has officially....u know... :( inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajee3oon. Rabi yitqabbal minha wa yeghfirlaha wa yaj3alaha min khair il-villages fil akheera. ameen.
Fathi and Nura, i know you all don?t mean anything offensive. bas at the same time you should be more excepting of other peoples choices. when i said i only want to marry a libyan, that?s a personal choice for me, it doesn?t mean that i'm against mixed marriages, and I do acknowledge that Islam should be every ones priority in choosing a spouse, but there are also other valid factors that come after it. that?s all, jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez :P
hey i mean no harm...all i'm saying is that your faith in God and your spouse's is the most important underlaying factor in marriage, not one's ethnicity....im just going on what i read in the Quran
no one is discriminating or being separatist nunu...we're discussing our preferences. I personally don't care if I marry a libee or a masri or a frenchy...if he is my naseeb, then I will accept him and his fruity ways :P
btw...let's all think twice before
saying things like "if you claim to be a and true muslim..." It's insulting and it insinuates that if we disagree with your position, then we're in a state of nifaaq or kuffur (because the opposite of being a true muslim is being an untrue one...and an untrue muslim is either a munaafiq or a kaffir). Choose your words carefully people.
It's true that it's unislamic to look down on or criticize those who marry outside of their own culture/ethnicity, but there's also nothing unislamic about wanting to marry someone who's just like you. Allah swt created us into nations and tribes for numerous reasons-- one is the sense of 'belonging' and ukhuwa that we feel with each other. No one here is saying you HAVE to marry your cousin...or that marrying a non-libee is wrong, makrooh or astaghfurallah haraam. We're just discussing our personal preferences and our thoughts on inter-ethnic marriages.
Islam allows people and their families to "discriminate" in choosing a spouse based on many factors, including not only level of deen and akhlaq, but also national origin, family/tribe name, social status, etc...There are a lot of factors that go into a healthy successful marriage, and while mixed marriages may work for some people, they don't for others, and Islam takes all of that into account. Whiel a marriage between a Paki brother and a Nigerian sister may sound cool, and may very well be a perfect match, doesn't make their union any more Islamic than one between a Shergawee brother and a Shergawee sister...to each his own.
ladies ladies ladies.....first of all if you claim to be a true muslim then the idea of same race and mix race marriages should'nt be an issue of concern.. ALright i know everyone reading is probably going nuts right now screaming about the "laws of libyan culture"..but in all honesty LIFE IS BIGGER THAN LIBYAN CULTURE.....ISLAM! is BIGGER than LIBYAN CULTURE....IF a devout Paki muslim man wants to marry a true muslim nigerian women then MASHALLAH! MAy God bless them, and if the family's are angry "Hey, in the eyes of GOD you're in the RIGHT" and lets be honest whose "eyes" are more important GOD's or your LIbyan SOciety....
oh and good luck in Libya Nura, have tons of fun there and dont forget to salim 3alayha wajed, tell Libya that i miss her a lot and i cant wait to see her again :)))
ya i've come a long way, five years ago i would have said only a shergaweey, perferablly Darna or Benghazi, and cringed at the thought of any kind of mixed marriages, bas you grow up,you learn, and you accept.
Oh and nura, I hope you know that not just French men need monthly subscriptions to tanning booths, God knows a lot of Libyan brothas need it too...LOL
so all this talk of mixed marriages is great and all but i wont deny that i?m a hardcore advocate of Libyans-for-Libyans, i think mixed marriages are beautiful and have their advantages, bas i personally don?t encourage them and i definitely would not do it by choice for myself although i?ve lived outside of the US for a long time and i?ve mixed and mingled with all cultures, and i?m like the queen of accents and dialects, i don?t feel like i can communicate on a marriage level with some one whose not Libyan. I guess it depends on the level of importance that your culture plays in your life. Of course what ever your naseeb is its written and it all comes from Allah swt, so it must be good :)
sherg...hmmmmmm i wonder if there's some alter-village on naseeb where the brothers can sit down and vent their frustrations. *shrug* Btw...I don't think that there aren't any ambitious, successful, accomplished guys...bil 3aks, there are plenty--i just think they're way outnumbered :)
nunu...I think it's far more complicated than we know. But yes, a huge part of it is our tarbiyyah and the things our parents/environment instilled in us. The nice thing about being raised in the west is that you can shove everything thru a strainer--keep what you're comfortable with and respectfully disagree with the rest. I donno. And AL...I don't expect you to know either :) It's nice to be able to talk to you girls and just find out everyone's thoughts.
i think the reason for the increased animosity/tension b/w Libyan females and males is the fact that most of us girls have been told that we have to marry a Libyan coupled with the fact that most of the Libyan guys raised in the West have not kept up with the Libyan girls in terms of accomplishments, ambition, maintenance of culture, etc... so really, it's no wonder we get a bit catty, chalk it up to plain old frustration :)
loooooooooooooooooooooooooool @ the gayness of french men...thats hilarious.......................ps- I would watch Napolen Dynamite but the guy eza3imlee fee kabdee, I can't stand him.....
btw I totally agree with you...up until very recently people (esp libyans) were uncomfortable mixing socially--which allahu a3lam, may or may not have been for the best. But then, in an attempt to overcome this tension and stretch the boundaries, some people completely abandoned their adaab and flung propriety out the window--which is the polar extreme and, I think, just as damaging. What do you think?
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saying things like "if you claim to be a and true muslim..." It's insulting and it insinuates that if we disagree with your position, then we're in a state of nifaaq or kuffur (because the opposite of being a true muslim is being an untrue one...and an untrue muslim is either a munaafiq or a kaffir). Choose your words carefully people.