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An Epifany on Islamic Law and Gender Equality


So all my life I've wondered about how certain rules according to Islamic law seem to significantly favor the male species. One issue in particular that dragged on my sense of fairness was Allah's instruction that the portion of a daughter's inheritance is to be 1/2 of that of a son's portion. For example, if a person had one son and one daughter, the son would receive 2/3 of the estate and the daughter 1/2.

The logic behind this rule was that the equation balances out if one considers that a woman will partake in the extra inheritance her husband receives. However, what if one's husband comes from a family of less wealth? What if her husband has suffered from a crippling disease and is unable to work? ...etc. etc.

Apparently, there is a BIG loophole to this rule that we don't hear of very often. This inheritance law only applies to the distribution of wealth AFTER the death of the parents. However, during their life, parents are free to give whatever amount they wish to their daughters. So this got me thinking, "why/how would parents give money to their daughters during their life?"

It is only recently that I realized that this provision in the law was probably there because traditionally it is a girl's parents that pay for wedding expenses and dowries. Therefore, it was only fair that they get a lesser share from their parents' estate. This all makes perfect sense to me now.

I just thought I'd share my epiphany. It's a good argument in favor of how Islamic laws were meant to be equitable towards both genders.
 

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Login to find out (January 25, 2006 at 1:22am)
Heck, there is babaganoush2 also on naseeb.. wassup with versioning system man. New upgrades ?

Oh well.. the system of objecting during the ceremony or even formally asking if anybody has objection is totally BS. If two people are ready to marry, there is nothing that can stop them from marrying.

Furthermore in islamic system, if there is a girl who has been approached by another dude, then nobody else can propose that girl untill she refuses the first candidate..
 
Login to find out (January 25, 2006 at 1:14am)
late in the picture.. hey manas congrats.

I guess, I'll have to figure out myself from whose side I get more gifts.. Ceremony coming up in couple months P: for me too. Anyways last couple of days of bachelorhood I can enjoy ;)
 
Login to find out (January 19, 2006 at 8:58am)
manas and lets not forget women did'n work to support the household in all societies 1000 yrs ago as much .....so the wealth accumulated was by the males...but having said that, the Islamic law is to be inforced in todays world more then ever for justice....as most women work today towards a household's upkeep, so its here we have to have justice displayed, aforetime.... by division of the estate by parents during their life time ...!!!! It will make life so much simplier...
 
Login to find out (January 19, 2006 at 8:48am)
manas.....the inheritance law comes into force after the deceased parents ....hypothetically which means that its for the parents to do the needful for a daughter after she has been married into a low income/propetied group for whatever reason ....in their(parents) life time ... .though Islam has given males a stronger position but in turn in Islam the responsibilities of males are also manifolds... I have had endless discussions on this with many ppl and have finally understood that in order to maintain a balance these laws have been pronounced by Allah ....
 
Login to find out (January 4, 2006 at 10:55am)
Road Not Taken, you looking for a fight? Come back with an actual argument, and you'll actually get one.
 
Login to find out (January 4, 2006 at 10:50am)
Thanks Shaz.

Plato, they didn't cut into the wrong knee, but misread my MRI. So they went in thinking I had a torn cartilidge only to find that I had a torn ligament. They couldn't perform a procedure different than the intended one without my consent so opted to close it and go back and fix it at another time....and double bill by insurance company. Bastards. Can we say "lawsuit in the making?"

Baba, I have yet to see one, but I've definitely heard of it. An "auntie" in my community had someone object to her wedding some 30 yrs ago b/c they had an interest in marrying her. Unfortunately, she still chose to marry the old geezer she's with today.
 
Login to find out (January 4, 2006 at 1:19am)
No epiphany, you have lived a very sheltered life to have such fatuous views on such a bemusing issue.
 
Login to find out (January 3, 2006 at 8:10pm)
I always wondered why I cannot recall one instance at any Muslim wedding ceremony I attended where the mullah asks the audience members to speak up if they have reasonable grounds as to why the couple should not be married.
 
Login to find out (January 3, 2006 at 7:29pm)
ManasanaM: You broke my heart... :(
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Login to find out (January 3, 2006 at 5:29pm)
Manas: congratulations!!! That's great news.

True Manas, apparently people of all cultures also say significantly more often that a new baby looks more like the father than the mother. It is to do with re-inforcing the fact that it is actually the husbands child and to allay suspicion that the mother may have been playing away from home. Regardless of how prevalent or not that sort of thing is. About 10% (UK figs I think) of children have different biological fathers to those named on the birth certificate so one can understand the reason for it!
 
Login to find out (January 3, 2006 at 2:56pm)
hay babe! congrats on the wedding, you gonna be dancing with a bum knee and everything? cool.

why'd the frist one go wrong? did they cut into the wrong leg? i hate it when that happens but they look soooo much alike you know, and it's hard to tell sometimes.
 
Login to find out (January 3, 2006 at 2:28pm)
Also, there was a survey published during the holidays regarding who receives 1) the WORST gifts and 2) the BEST gifts. The answer to #1: Daughter-in-law. 2) Son-in-law. It seems like even in the western world there is a subconscious attitude that a woman is soooooo lucky to be getting married that even after she's married her parents will pamper and spoil the son-in-law. And a man's parents feel like their son is being snatched away by some other woman (even if this woman is capable of supporting herself and doesn't need their son) so they are less than generous with her gifts. It's so similar to the backwards thinking we have in the East.
 
Login to find out (January 3, 2006 at 2:20pm)
I was growing frustrated with my own wedding planning this past week and did a quick google search to see who traditionally pays for American weddings and guess what I found? I found that it is usually the bride's parents that pay most if not all!!!! It's only in the past decade or 2 that things have started to change where both bride and groom pay equally.
 
Login to find out (January 3, 2006 at 2:18pm)
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!! i've been in hiding due to my second knee surgery and wasn't making it out to my basement often enough to hang out in front of my computer. alhamdulAllah, doing much better. thanks for the sweet chat CF! i missed being hit on. j/k.

Shazia, I agree that dowries and shnitz are outdated and are rarely applicable in today's world. But, did you know that regardless of how modern a family, it's ALWAYS the bride's family that incurs the most wedding expenses. Even in today's world where women are earning an education in equal proportions as men, many a groom's parents seem to think they have some sort of trump card that they need to cash.

For example mendhi expenses are usually incurred by the bride's family. It's the brides family that makes arrangments for accomodations for the groom's family if he's from out of town. On the other hand, if the out of town groom has his valima in his hometown, his family traditionally does NOT pay for the brides' family's accomodations. etc. etc. When you add numbers, the bride's family incurs at least 70% of all expenses. In the Western world, these expenses are not modest and could well exceed the amount spent on the child's education, even if the wedding itself is a modest affair. It's absolutely ridiculous in my opinion, but it's just the nature of the game.
 
Login to find out (January 2, 2006 at 10:35pm)
Well, if he gets the condo, that's a good thing innit? I mean at least a condo will appreciate with time. (H)

As for the increase in value of the old sofa...
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Login to find out (January 2, 2006 at 8:11pm)
I am not shocked anymore.

The Shariah is not in accordance with the spirit of the Quran.

If you don't believe me, then all you have to do is buy an English translation of all the Shariah laws for your employer next Christmas.

Now for some Arabs the guy has to have a furnished condo and if something wrong happened, then he would keep the condo and she the furniture.

I don't think that is much better.
 
Login to find out (January 2, 2006 at 7:38pm)
Oooh, also, also, also (there are so many also's here)... anyway places where Islam is dominant are usually chauvinistic and male dominated (as Shazia says), Central Asia, Sub-continent, Middle East, North Africa. Islam in financially liberal countries (i.e. that place called "the West") seems more progressive for the woman.

Fancy that, an non-Islamic place being a better place to be a Muslim than in an Islamic place. I was shocked. Were you shocked? I was very shocked.
 
Login to find out (January 2, 2006 at 7:31pm)
What I think is silly is if certain aspects of the economics (earnings) are not used in context with other aspects (say inheritance or property management). It looks all intertwined to me is a bit complex mesh sort of way.

Anyway, why should it matter these days, we live in the west which has its own (enforceable) laws pertaining to finance.

Yo Shaz, happy new year m'darLINK!
 
Login to find out (January 2, 2006 at 7:31pm)
Hey ManasanaM, how are you doing? Where have you been all my life. I missed you this much! Sleepless nights, loss of appetite, day-dreams of longing... and all that stuff.

Anyway, sweet-chatting aside, I remember (and correct me if I am wrong, which is highly probable), is that the financial onus in a family is put upon the shoulders of a man. Women are financially independent, not having to contribute any of their earnings to the family (if they so choose), keeping what they earn in the pockets of their shawls. Now don't blame the economics of the religion if certain parts of the world (countries, tribes etc.) have little or now respect for the independence or women and don't let them work. Hence, I suppose men get more than women (inheritance), so that the male kids can grow up and spend it on their family.
 
Login to find out (January 2, 2006 at 5:35pm)
Manas I hate to burst the bubble - especially in 2006 (Happy New Year btw) - but the dowry system is only really relevant to people from the Indian Subcontinent. From what I've read and heard, in Arab countries it is the males that pay the expenses for the wedding... I think the wedding/dowry thing appears to be very culturally and ethnically biased and therefore, has no relevance on the in heritance example you've quoted.

In terms of gender bias, I would say that that was the way things were then - and Islam did give women many more rights then they had at the time. I know that Islam gives women many many rights still, but the bias could perhaps be because we've always had male scholars who have seen fit to stop at half an interpretation and not carry on with regards to the men. And there are still some aspects of women in Islam that make me uncomfortable - issues of testimony, divorce, a married woman cannot deny her husband s*x etc