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Arms Control


ok, so Gym and I are on again (it's been a tumultuous on-and-off relationship, i tell ya).

after reading a ton of workout mags (oh, and VEs too!), i still have a few quasi-dumb questions.

in regard to WOMEN toning their arms, which would be a 'better' approach: lifting 5-8lbs continuoulsly till you cant lift at all, or the 3 sets of 12 sorta thing? and if doing the sets thing, how much 'repair' time delay should one take?

one of my colleagues does a 'lift-till-you-cant-lift-no-mo' and it seems kinda effective? im kinda inclined towards this b/c i personally find it annoying counting secs in between reps.
 

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Login to find out (August 16, 2005 at 6:58pm)
Thanks guys...you're right...I was doing back to back exercises with the arms, so they were rather tired. I'm really glad that I invested in the trainer, because I'm sure my form/technique would be all wrong!
 
Login to find out (August 16, 2005 at 8:41am)
I dont think you should beat yourself up about it. like inthamix says, sometimes u have good days, and mostly u have bad days (LOL i know all about this!)

you probably done something else on the arms before that, or you maxed it out. either way its ok. i cant even hold up a 5kg barbel after ive finished.

its not about how much you can lift, rather your technique (unless ofcourse you want to be a weighlifter). if your doing high reps, keep the weights low.

I like to increase the weight too, but if i cant complete my set of x reps, i drop the weight and continue, if i still cant do it, i drop the weight more. try that.
 
Login to find out (August 16, 2005 at 12:59am)
MB, lateral deltoid raises are a challenging exercise. Make sure first-n-foremost your form & technique doesn't get compromised when you increase the weight and the reps'.

Usually when you increase the weight you're using in subsequent sets, the # of reps' decreases... to maximize the workout (work till fatigue per set, efficiently; ie. 12-10-8).

Otherwise, all seems fine... we have our good days at the gym & then we have our avg. days at the gym in terms of performance!
 
Login to find out (August 16, 2005 at 12:44am)
I don't know if I'm a wimp or what. I was doing these lateral raises (I think that is what they are called....weights in each hand and you lift them out to your sides and up to shoulder height) today and my arms were shaking!

We went from 8 pounds in each to 10 pounds to 12. I was upset with myself that I couldn't do it 20 times like I did with the two lighter weights. My arms just wouldn't lift up enough.

So, is that a weight I should easily be able to do, or am I just not strong enough? :-
 
Login to find out (August 13, 2005 at 9:30pm)
I disagree with you too ladylawyer!
 
Login to find out (August 13, 2005 at 7:17pm)
um..I lift bags of chips to and fro my room. Does that count?
 
Login to find out (August 13, 2005 at 4:14pm)
i disagree.
 
Login to find out (August 10, 2005 at 12:24am)
oh yeah, wait about a minute or two in between sets. you don't really need to count this out though, just approximate it.
 
Login to find out (August 10, 2005 at 12:23am)
the conventional wisdom on this from organizations like ace (american council on exercise) is 1-3 sets of 8-12 reps. if you are lifting light weights a gazillion times for an extended period of time, you are really getting more of a cardio type workout (like the circuit training mewobili mentioned below). if you want to have cut, defined arms, go with the higher weight and 8-12 reps. however at the end of the 8-12 (however many you do) you should work the muscle to exhaustion - and you dont' need to do a full 3 sets. you can achieve this in 2. the third set gets you some incremental benefit but not as much as the second gets you.

oh yes, and you won't bulk up! women simply don't. you'd need to really be eating a certain way and taking supplements to look like a female body builder.
 
Login to find out (August 9, 2005 at 6:02pm)
there isnt a real difference between men toning and women... during a cut up/tone i would do a set of 20 reps on a low weight for 3 sets (u usually get the burning sensation on rep 14+) and on the last excerise targetting that group of muscle i would burn out on the last set with your 'lift till you cant lift no more' thing.

i think its better to do sets, that way you are affecting that muscle more than just testing your stamina on one long set.

You dont need to really count the time between sets, unless your paying a personal trainer, i would suggest u start as soon as u feel u have enough energy or a few mins.
 
Login to find out (August 9, 2005 at 7:25am)
either way actually does the trick...but if youre looking for serious toning, shoot for 15-20, for 3 sets. the thing about going till you stop is that it doesnt really give you an exact idea of where youre at. in other words, doesnt give you a clear goal. say youre shooting for 20 of something, and you were pretty tired, and only go 18 up, you can have a spotter help you get the final two. but yeah, as the previous poster said, never do the same muslce groups back to back. do and upper body/ lower body type deal.
 
Login to find out (August 8, 2005 at 8:36pm)
Komi, I think that you will hear for and against each of those methods.

I have a personal trainer who continually changes the routine. We've done lighter weight, more reps...which builds up to heavier weight, less reps, which leads to the same weight, more reps. She has also had me go until I can't work it any longer, to see how far I can be pushed before determining if we go to more reps or more weight.

About counting in between reps, or the down time...when we train, we section up my body so that I am not doing two in a row. For example, I did exercises in this sequence for the hour: arms, inner/outer thigh, shoulders in that order, 3 times and then 2 mins of high intensity cardio, then a different set of 3 exercies focusing on the same body parts, 3 times...then 2 mins of high intensity cardo, and so on. Does that make sense? So anyway, then you don't have to sit there and wait for a time delay...

And remember, no question, especially from you, is a dumb question!