Thank you frosty ... well said .... short and sweet .... once again slimy ...oooppps I mean silky .... what is your point

silky ,,, i think it goes both ways .. that article was disgusting .. I'm sure Sunnis have done some disgusting things as well like www.altmuslim.com

both these things are nothing to be proud about .. its deterioration of Islamic society .. from what i know we all say the same Shahada .....so why even argue.

nice propaganda there, what brand is it?

INDEED, mehnaz, this is what his likes would do to Sunnis when they have the chance >>> shia-show.blogspot.com

Alhamdullilah brother .... you really moved me ... I have to say you made my day ... for your words makes all of us think ....

Mashallah brother

Thank you

I do not want to defend the guy in the picture. There are people in both sides who are not representative. But what some guys are doing here in this discussion is like discussing the leaves without examining the root of the tree.

First of all every Muslim should be extremely cautious when it comes to use the words of Sherk and Mushrek, same as accusing a fellow Muslim for committing Zena and adultery. We are all mature people and should do our own research and do not fully accept when some one tells us some odd story against another party.



In Shiia no one deifies Ahlulbait. In fact if some one does that his penalty is death. On the other hand there is a distinguishable line between deifying and loving Ahlulbait. This LOVE has been specified in Koran:

"(O Prophet) tell (people) I don't ask you any wage (in return for my prophethood) except to love my near kin. And if anyone earns any good We shall give Him an increase of good (in return for it)" (Quran 42:23).

Is there any point within this verse? Let's give this verse at least 2 to 3 minute thought:

What is the value of the prophethood of our beloved prophet?
Answer: beyond definition. No one can set value for that.

Now, if that is true, then why Allah asks us in return of his messenger's prophethood to love his kin? If the kin does not posses anything extraordinary then how loving him can be conceived as a return of his prophethood? Does Allah order us to love some ordinary people? Does "carrying the genes of Prophet Muhammad" make some one so specially which loving him can be conceived as a return of his prophethood? Or is it because of character of the family itself? Categorically connected to the character of Prophet Muhammad?


If the value of the Prophet Muhammad's prophethood can not be set then the way we LOVE Ahlulbait also should reflect the same:

LOVING Ahlulbait should differ from how we love our parents, our kids, our neighbor, our country, even SAHAABEH. We should tell ourselves I am doing this in return of the Prophet Muhammad's prophethood.

Does Saying SALLAALLAAH ALAA AHLEBAITEHEE every day (even 10,000 times daily) satisfy this LOVE? If some one does this and does not go beyond that then he does not LOVE Ahlulbait, he likes them and that's it.

We need to redefine the word of LOVE when it comes to Ahlulbait.

Once a group of people discussing Allah and Loving Allah. One of them enthusiastically said "I love Allah". Then another guy asked him quietly "How come you claim so but do not bother performing your daily prayers as he requested us?" he became silent till the end of discussion.

Loving needs actions, some proof, some thing more than what we feel in our hearts, some thing more than words coming out of the mouth.

LOVE means to FOLLOW.

It?s a little bit tricky:

If some one does not LOVE Ahlulbait then according to the aforementioned verse there is no dispute with this guy, he is out of picture.

If some one claims "I LOVE Ahlulbait" but not FOLLOWing them (the way Ahlulbait asked the followers to FOLLOW) then what type of LOVE is that?

Now if we agree to LOVE means to FOLLOW then this means to reject few people at the request of those whom we try to FOLLOW.


So if some one reads this verse why on earth he should not follow Ahlulbait after the demise of Prophet Muhammad (SAAW) as his true successor?

Just think....If he can do that to himself, what can he do to you?

well said sister222!... i agree .. why not investigate similarites rather then differences, and lets leave it up to Allah to decide who is a beleiver and who is not.

ALL I am trying to say ... is that NO one but ALLAH has the right to judge the actions of these brothers and sisters for that matter ..... AS MUSLIMS WE NEED NOT HAVE CONFLICT BETWEEN EACH OTHER NO MATTER WHAT SECT WE BE FROM .... WE HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS IN THIS WORLD .... LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO WOULD DO THEIR UTMOST BEST TO ELIMINATE MUSLIMS ALL TOGETHER ... NO MATTER WHAT SECT WE BE FROM .... because to the enemies of islam we are all muslims .... but to some of us we are SHIA ... SUNNI ... WAHABI .... etc etc etc .... so instead of sitting and judging our brothers and sisters in faith ... let us unite as one faith and keep our enemies from wiping us out all together

What do you mean NO shite can be this holy ... do you know what it feels like to lose your entire family one day ... do you know the pain these brothers feel for Imam Hussain .... who do you think you are laughing at these brothers devotion

Cut it out brother its not nice .... and there is an old saying ... that I think you need to practice ... which is to think before you talk well in this case before you write

Allah is the final Judge ... so i wouldnt dare judge that individual's intensions ... he can be more Holier then all of us for all we know.

yuck