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children or not?


i was watching king of queens the other day, i don't know if it was a re-run or a new one, but they're trying to have kids and are not succeding. i guess we all know a story about a couple that's trying and not getting anywhere.

so anyway, i was thinking... if you've always wanted to have kids, but you find out the love of your life (bf, gf/fiance) can't have kids naturally, would you still marry them or would you throw the love out the window and look for someone else?
 

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Login to find out (August 4, 2005 at 12:04pm)
Good points Mystic, I know of some kids who were brought up in care homes and it is a strange, nomadic life... Plato, my acquaintance was discussing those sorts of cases... I guess there is a sharp distinction between full adoption (where the child takes the adoptive parents' name) and sponsoring an orphan (where he/she still fully acknowledges their heritage and blood family).

Even in the case of modern families today, I wonder what the ruling is if step-siblings fall in love with each other?
 
Login to find out (August 4, 2005 at 8:53am)
i don't see why adoption would be haram, it seems the opposite would be the case, a grander form of love and charity is rarely seen.

mostly when people talk about adoption being haram they refer too either the hadith (parapharsing here) that talks about not swindling an orphan of his inheritance by taking him in and using it for yourself.
or - as you seem to be imlying, hte mixed lineage.

cause we are not allowed to marry our sisters and whatnot and if two orphans are taken into differnt homes and their last names are changed, they can, theoretically, end up marrying each other.


those seem to be the cases people refer too. i don't know if thats what your friend was going on about though.

obviously both can be avoided, and as for lineage, i have no doubt that if i really wanted someone to bear my name, i would have absolutely no problem finding a baby with my last name, a fairly common one, even better if your last name is mohammad.

and please, don't swindle an orphan, that would b ebad.


if i loved the woman, i would not get rid of her.
if i did not love her, but it was merely an issue of convinience and her good looks, then i would say "adios" and look for another convinient looker.

say whatever you want, but a lot of marriages are based on convinience and looks.
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 5:15pm)
in regards to western adoption and not wanting to adopt someone cause they u dont knwo where they came from: there's a story of noah in the quran where noah asks god why his son, his flesh and blood, was drowned during the storm. god's response to that was he is not your son. he was among the disbelievers or something like that. this comes to mind cause it kind of seems to imply that blood means nothing and should mean nothing when it comes to what family really is. even family relations can be soured by stuff like greed and jealousy. we all want healthy children but that's not gauranteed even by having your own children so why should adoption be any different....there's no rule that says your own kid has less of a chance of being a serial killer than if you adopted a kid cause im not sure if its genetic. just providing my opinion.
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 5:03pm)
do what u think is right based on your situation, how you feel about the guy and what the guy thinks. i dont know you and im not sure about the others here giving advice but our advice can't count for much cause its based on 2 short paragraphs of the actual situation. if you want an easy answer, id go w/ the concensus and say "yeah, go ahead and marry the guy and adopt some kids from aphganistan."
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 2:28pm)
foxy - even if some think western adoption is haram, i still think it is good. i think it is better that they be adopted and have an actual home and stability and love than to be in those homes. my dad volunteers at the JV center here and 1/2 of the kids in the JV center (similar to JAIL) are only there because they are inbetween foster homes and there is no where else for them to go! Sad life. A few don't know who their parents are anyway (esp their fathers - who are often just the sperm doner from one hot passionate night) and by law they can find out if it is in the records after they are 18. If it is haram, to be honest, i think that is rediculous. what happened to the lesser of two evils? or helping the helpless?
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 1:33pm)
i'd adopt...preferbly a kid from a palstn or another muslim orphanage
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 1:25pm)
Yeah, I can understand that, I think.
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 12:31pm)
Mchowdry - I guess to his/her their own.
I was just being honest. Not being able to see a physical piece of myself - my lips or my eyes or my dimple etc... means a lot to me.
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 10:53am)
A hijabi acquaintance of mine once told me that Western-style adoption is haraam, because it confuses the child's lineage. Is this true? However, she explained that Muslims could "take in" the orphaned kids of their relatives once they had given birth to their own families.

Becoming a foster parent would be a cool challenge, but permanent adoption seems too daunting...
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 10:37am)
Saranakli, being a single guy who enjoys the bachelor life, I find it hard to cope with any kid. I am not sure that I'd even be able to put up with my own. So, the distinction between the fruit of my own loins and someone else's, is kinda lost on me.

When most babies are nothing but a loud noise at one end, and a big mess at the other... minor details like who's DNA they are carrying are likely to be the last thing on my mind.
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 3:32am)
i'd still marry him. I'd be upset if he or i were sterile, but that does not mean we could not have kids. as many said, you can adopt or have a sperm donor (which i doubt i would do).
 
Login to find out (August 2, 2005 at 2:52am)
I would still marry her.
 
Login to find out (August 1, 2005 at 10:36pm)
I would still get married and then i would adopt. If I don't get married, I still think i would adopt.
 
Login to find out (August 1, 2005 at 4:36pm)
I'm going to be honest and say what so many of you feel but have to be all PC about it and pretend it isn't so... if I offend anyone, I truly don't mean to.

I have to have my own children. Even the thought of marrying someone with kids is frightening. How can anyone expect me to love somebody else's child as if it were my own.
As for adoption, people make it sound like they are going out and buying a cabbage patch kid. This is a permanent thing, you cant give it away after a year... and are stuck with a total stranger's kid. Who knows what the parents were like (psychotics, druggies, etc...)?? And god knows if your kid is going to turn out to be a serial killer. A lot of behavioral attributes are inherited as well as diseases and illnesses. I want a healthy child (mentally and physically).

My very very very last, desperate option if ALL else fails would be to adopt and that too from people I know (hopefully take a relatives child). Thats that!
 
Login to find out (August 1, 2005 at 3:32pm)
I think I'd get married and adopt. There are far too many orphans other there.
 
Login to find out (August 1, 2005 at 3:15pm)
It's a tough question, it's easy for someone to say Oh I'd marry them anyway... But I don't know if I would or wouldn't. The selfish side of me would want to be with someone who can have kids, then my conscience would kick in and I'd feel guilt about whether I'm letting the man I love down and leaving him over this issue.
 
Login to find out (August 1, 2005 at 12:58pm)
I heard that a bunch of scientists had come up with a new technique called germ cell transplantation? I'd try all the fertility treatments available and see what happened...
 
Login to find out (August 1, 2005 at 12:02pm)
What's wrong with adoption? I'd adopt :)
 
Login to find out (August 1, 2005 at 9:52am)
If Im married, I would look for alternative methods... artificial insemination.... ? The only way adoption would be a choice is if the baby was adopted from back home or another islamic country or even south america. Otherwise I rather have no children, than adopt an oriental baby and just make it obvious to all that this isnt my child. First of all, I would never admit to anyone that the child was adopted and I dont want everyone to think that I had an affair with the chinese food delivery guy...come on!

* I need to learn how to be more PC*
 
Login to find out (August 1, 2005 at 7:45am)
I would just adopt.... I seriously want children, btw, I have a baby jones a mile wide.