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bismillah.

every year, hundreds upon hundreds die as a result of incidents taking place at hajj. here is just the latest (but not the only event) of this past hajj. news.yahoo.com

so, my first questions are: is the saudi gov. 'overbooking' for this muslim ritual? or is the overzealous muslimeen completely responsible for the hazards the people bring upon themselves? and lastly, for those who havent attended hajj, do such tragic events tend to deter you or at least, postpone your intentions?

Allahu alim, we will return to Him when it is our time. whether by death in stampede or old age, our time WILL come. however, isnt there a sensible way to also prevent such incidents from occurring? is how we will die written? or is it simply the notion that death will come to all of us which we know to be certain?

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Login to find out (January 20, 2006 at 10:18am)
but uhm what does this have to do with hajj stampedes??
 
Login to find out (January 20, 2006 at 10:18am)
lol he def watched too many jackie chan flicks...hello human slinky!
 
Login to find out (January 13, 2006 at 10:19am)
well apart from these pragmatic considerations I think there is a deeper reason for these stampedes that has more to do w/the ummah's social behaviors then with infrastructure. I mean its quite easy for the agressive pushing and shoving that ppl do at mosques @ jumah in order to get into the first couple rows during salah to translate into stampedes when the numbers go from a handful to millions....
In my own umrah experience (which was during the end of ramadan so vast numbers again) i found ppl to be extremely aggressive and was quite shocked by it....
 
Login to find out (January 13, 2006 at 6:27am)
thing=think
 
Login to find out (January 13, 2006 at 5:22am)
salaam, all...

i dont want to have to blame saudi govt. but like hmcq said, they must take into account feasibility planning etc. bridges have limits, buildings have limits, sq. footage will have limits in some way.

i thing it is kind of harsh to say 'no, you are a repeat hajji, you cant come' but on the other hand, maybe it would be wise to consider those who havent been on hajj first, then allow the rest, putting a cap at the limit, whether that is 1 million or whatever.

or maybe in addition to the civil eng. changes they made, they can try to control crowds in a certain area, enforce basic things such as 'no obstructions', .. i dunno.

but if you are right, getasim, there is just nothing we can do indeed. if that was written, that will happen, whether overcrowded or not.
 
Login to find out (January 12, 2006 at 9:28pm)
Saudi government as far as I know has done more than any government can do. The bridge where this incident happened is 8 lanes wide (I-93 is four lane).
Some Hajjajs were carrying their luggage which is neither expected nor allowed at that place hence creates an unwanted congestion, ofcourse some of them while walking dropped it and wanted to stop and pick it up. You cant just stop a crowd of millions and i dont think its fair to blame Saudi government for this.
Life and death is written and i believe that those who died had it written in this way and on that soil.
 
Login to find out (January 12, 2006 at 7:42pm)
anyone here?