WOW.... religious fighters do not target civilians!!!! that is the first time I hear this ... my buddies uncle was be-headed by the resistance in Fallouja and he was a Muslim, innocent, just driving a nice car. Now you tell me, how is this a mistake that will be forgotten by god. How is this god's word and what kind of a answer are these guys gonna prepare and tell god. What the hell.... everyone is giving a fatwa... it okay to kills this and that... ISLAM DOES NOT TOLERATE KILLING... basic principal of the same religion that these "ISLAMIC FREEDOM FIGHTERS" are destroying...

You can't say they are not killing innocent civilians, because they are!!!! Please go and visit Baghdad, if you are man enough, and see for yourself.... you can't judge based on reading Internet postings or watching biased news..... THINGS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM.... I'm not claiming I know what is going on, but I know enough not to believe that Innocent Civilians are not being killed by the "GOOD GUYs" you are talking about...

If you are as tough as you make yourself sound, please go free your own country and leave iraq to the iraqis...

Sayedna Mohammad was not sunni or Shi3a.. he was muslim, and if you truly love him, you would'nt hate one your fellow brothers.... Now I go and pray 2 rok3at for your ignorance... Allah yasamhak for your hate of your fellow brothers....

Keep it real,

I feel sad for the people that live in dreams!! 40% of Americans still think Iraq has WMD's, and it seem that 40% muslims and arabs don't aknowledge what bin laden and his symphatizers did!! even though bin laden and Zarqawi and whatever aknowledge it in many different means. It is very sad.

Idiot is he who thinks that the religious fighters target 'civilians'!!! Those we Palestinians kill in the "Israeli" streets are all 'soldiers on leave' and thieves who took our land and property! If you can't kick out a thief from your house using more conventional ways, then you'll definitely resort to the unconventional, particularly if the 'judge' and the 'jury' and the journalists covering ur story (metaphorically speaking tab3an) stand against you. Likewise in Iraq. Now if civilans are killed by mistake, it's a mistake, however I believe those fighters fear God more than an earth full of your likes, Ammar. They know better than a galaxy full of you that they'll be asked about everything by Allah, and they surely have prepared an answer (and Allah knows best their intentions) for those operations they do. If they were after killing the innocent, they'd have done that in peaceful areas, not ones where major battles are being waged. Use ur brains once, will ya? 3aib, look how old u r..and u still think like a 3 year old (that's if u can say that a 3 yr old like u thinks!).

the Islamic resistence in Iraq is innocent. The Americans and their Majoosi (Shia) allies did it; article in Arabic proves >>> www.islammemo.cc

Silkysword (Husam) posted several links alqaeda symphetaizers web sites in many of his JE's, I think there are enough bragging about Martydom operations in civilians

But again, we come to the same point - not everything is as it seems! Just because we are told that there is a suicide bomb, who is to say thats the truth!? Why is everyone so quick to believe everything we are told in the media when we already know the world of politics is nothing but filth and lies! We will NEVER EVER know the real truth behind whats going on in this world, and the real version of events, but one thing for sure is that its certainly not what we are being told!

I completely agree Ammoori. To watch this irrational behaviour is baffling to us who r living in countries where there is no hardship. To people who are oppressed or enraged with hate the most irrational things make sense. The blind leads the blind. Mindlessness is behind the wheel. God help us all, Ameen.

The most furstrating thing for me as an Iraqi is honestly hear other arabs lecture me and Iraqis about that these kind of operations is ok because it resists the occupiers!! Non of them can imagine though if an Iraqi comes to Cairo for EXAMPLE and blow himself in Sayeda Zaynab and claim its to free Egyptions from Hosni Mubarak (3ameel El Imperialia), or a Syrian goes to UAE and blow himself up in a Hotel (Because of the prostitution there against Allah's word) or the many examples I can imagine, how would arab react when stuff like that happen in their own country to their own people from their Brother muslims?!!

Mama this forum is to express the furstration (ath3af el Emaan)!! Are you trying to censor that even!! I don't understand werr u coming from, so please do explain?
and if u had actions in mind then what is it?

am just tired of listening to same stories OVER and OVER and OVER again.. and seeign ppl feel pity and sorry OVER and OVER and OVER again for all victims of the middleast.. enough talkin ppl... and am not sayin forget about the matter...but enough z enough.. if action will be taken great.. if not, then do something about it w/out rubbin it n no one's face... hummmmph ;)

Honestly I wish I can burn all this oil myself!! As for the issue of appearance, and Al Qaeda (which is an american creation) I agree omar, the americans needed to create this enemy and create alot of myth around it, UNFORTUNATLY or Fortunatly for them they were through the media were the global recruiting tool for this ideology!!

Ammoori.... I honestly did not mean that you had a sectarian agenda!!! I was merely trying to make the point of "Things are not what they seem".... here is an example.... when 911 happened, we all started to believe that AL-QAEDA was this massive well networked group of fanatic Muslims.... well, surprise surprise, they have just proven that OSAMA is not a leader nor is AL-QAEDA is what they say it is.... OSAMA was merely a rich SAUDI, living in AFGHANISTAN financing anyone that came to him with a good plan..... there was no fine tuned network, which was run by OSAMA and his buddies.... there were definitely terrorist cells, but all were independent of OSAMA..... basically, AL-QAEDA acted like a bank and the terrorists were their clients.... but we were all lead to believe that there was this complexly integrated network, all run by one man OSAMA.... which scared the hell out of all of us, and lead to the invasion of Iraq.... See....... the media is a brain washing mechanism..... aimed to make us believe a fallacy, to serve a sick purpose..... and we can't believe what they feed us.... I have seen it done many times in business... playing with people's emotions and psychology can get you the result you want out of those people... it is a very powerful tool being exploited by the media and its supporters...... That was the point I was making.... it might have been off tangent, but somewhat related.....

Ammoori... I agree 100% with you, it is wrong what is happening.... the other arabs need not fight for iraq, because they are making it worse..... but the more dangerous issue is that sectarian ideologies are being nurtured by this type of behavior, by promoting hate for the other..... that is what they want!!! If that didn't happen, iraq would be free so will its OIL!!!

all of this is for OIL..... Alhamullah for the blessing that judgment day will bring with it, the blessing of justice.....

It seems that u guys think I have some kind of secaterian agenda!!! I don't know the kids that were killed were sunna or shiaa or whatever. The presence of the Americans is not acceptable period in Iraq. Whats mind boggling for me is those people that blow themselve up, which most of them are arab (mostly Saudie) , don't those people have their own governments that they need to change first? Why they have no consience with blowing themselves in civilian filled areas EVEN if they were targeting US or Iraqi forces!! I know the americans can do stuff like tie some Iraqis together and blow them to pieces like they did few days ago, but NO american will drive a car or can force someone to drive a car that will target other americans using civilans as human shields!! there is logic!! Just check the pictures!!

Excellent read " Some pro-war commentators warned early on that the country would be blighted by sectarian violence: oppressed Shias would take revenge on Sunnis; Kurds would avenge Saddam's rule by killing Arabs; and the Christian community would be liquidated.

What actually happened confounded such expectations. Within two weeks of the fall of Baghdad, millions converged on Karbala chanting "La Amreeka, la Saddam" (No to America, no to Saddam). For months, Baghdad, Basra and Najaf were awash with united anti-occupation marches whose main slogan was "La Sunna, la Shia; hatha al-watan menbi'a" (no Sunni, no Shia, this homeland we shall not sell)." by Sami Ramadani www.guardian.co.uk

All I have to say is that things are not what they appear!!!

The western median keeps instilling the division between Shi3a and sunnis in Iraq, inorder to create a conflict between these 2 groups.... fine, they might have caught some terrorists from specific groups of certain beliefs, but who is financing these guys is the question?

You can find many uneducated idiots, drug them, threaten thier families, brainwash them with ridiculous ideoloiges, which will create monsters hungry for blood... do not look at who is doing it, it is who is financing it is the bigger probelm? Without THEIR MONEY, we wouldn't be in this situation.... trace the money they say when 911 happend, so should we trace it now???? I hope the answer is yes.... easier said than done, but please do not believe what you see... the western media is creating a dipiction in our imagination, which will become a self-fullfilling prophecy of hatred for one another and before you know it, we will have a civil war between the different religious groups....

As far as I remember, there was never a problem between the different religious groups in Iraq, so why is it a problem now? Don't tell me Saddam didn't allow it in the past, he loved killing his own people!!!! and would have loved a fight between strong religious groups

Salam

well, Ammoori, that is what I meant when I said: there are mixed political groups in Iraq right now...The country has criminals; a foreign army(S), different religion sectors, different ethnic groups like the Kurds in which all want a piece of the pie. Nothing justifies the killing of civilians how about kids!

I did not at any point say that the only people that commit crimes are the Americans. And nor do I find questioning the rubbish that we are fed on a daily basis about Iraq to be disrespectful! I mean come on, for Gods sake, the war was 'justified' on the basis of a lie! One huge F'ed up lie about weapons that dont exist! So following through with that, what I actually find mind boggling is how people can absorb everything else as concrete fact! I mean once someone tells a lie, especially one so big, they have to make up sooo many other lies to try and add weight to the first one!

I do actually believe that people are blowing themselve up!! Its a fact and being delisional is disrespectful to every soul that lost it soul in this war!! The people that do it aknowledge so who challenge that, its rediculious to live in this dream of that no body is doing crimes but americans!! As for the palastenian issue, I did not comment negatively T3mah, the comparision was that if somebody thinks resistance was legitimate in doing sucide bombing (which by the way it is legitimate against military targets), why they don't pick better timing in Iraq, why is it ok to kill thousands. U guys seem to mix up between supporting americans and supporting the criminal elements that does suicide bombing in civilians, they are totally 2 different issues.

I beg to differ with the above statement/ expression used about Palestinians. We all know Palestinians don't want to kill any Israeli kids and are not terrorist in the first place. Hate is not the objective in the Palestinian struggle for freedom. On the other hand, Iraq has a mixed political group right now, only time will reveal who is responsible of these murders. May the victims souls rest in peace

I cant believe you actually believe what you read - especially in the Western media!