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Does a Drop contain the Ocean?
Witstorm:
Superman you say that we are not "part, or fractions, of Allah." I concour, but then how would you explain the Hadeeth-e-Qudsi: "The ENTIRE universe cannot contain Me, but the Heart of a Momin CAN." This hadith says a Momin's heart can contain Allah. It still does not say that the Momin is a fraction of Allah. How can something be contained in its own fraction? Can an ocean be contained in a glass of water taken from the ocean (its own fraction)? This hadith is not supposed to be taken literally as Termi_nader has pointed out because then what you are essentially saying is that a Momin's heart contains more space than the whole universe.
Superman:
Salaam Bro WitStorm, which you are indeed. (Good name, I mean.) In order to answer your question, I'll ask you a similar question: Am I a part of every cell in my body? Stop and think on this before proceeding further, please. Am I a PART of the smallest living piece of me? I beg a brief thought-extrapolation, if you will, in order to construct an appropriate answer:
Have you seen the movie 'The 5th Element'? I am _not_ espousing anything but the medical technology demonstrated at the beginning of the movie. A small surviving part of the body of a near-fatal crash victim (a cell) is used to reconstruct the entire remaining body. This is merely an advancement of current technologies, and nothing miraculuous. (The survivor _was_ a masterful being in the movie, and therefore may be more capable or able to retain a connection to its living self, as some people with half their bodies cut off are able to, while others cannot. But we digress.-) If you look your question from this vantage point, then the 'glass' did in fact contain the ocean. (Which it does, I recall reading the same from some ascended master, which I can post if asked.) The point being, "Allah's statement should not be diluted simply because some lack the understanding to comprehend what the words mean".
My understanding of these words is that the Heart (the feeling center of your body, which is slightly above your kidneys inside your rib-cage, where you feel the desire to hug a child or someone you love) of a Momin (not just a Believer) is 'the point of connection with "The Infinite All"' (read "Allah, Aarifah, Ascent to the Source, etc.")
The heart is the seat of the soul. The heart of a Momin is the place where a direct and unrestrained link exists to Allah, since our soul is nothing more than the Divine Ruh which Allah SWT blew into the clay shell of Adam AS's body upon its creation. That is what the Rajeem (Iblis, Lucifer, Shaitan) did't realize when he said he won't bow to a being of clay, himself made of fire. Allah wasn't getting all the malaikah to do sajdah (literally) to the animated clay figure; Allah wanted those who were capable (of comprehending it) to know that it was the Ruh of Allah which gave life to this man that was being acknowledged. That Ruh is within you and within me. (Closer than the jugular vein, remember?) This is what makes you and I Allah's Khalifah in all of creation.
People like the Buddah, Rumi, Bu Yazid Bustani, Saint Mark, Lau Tzu, Rasool Allah (S) and countless others _realized_ this connection, which gave them True Gnosis (more than just knowledge of it,) and that is the ultimate aim of any true sufi.
Now if you ask me the obvious question, my answer will be within the answer to this question: Why did Al-Bustani (and Al-Hallaj for that matter) start saying "I am Allah"? (For this Hallaj wilingly died, upon refusing to stop when asked by those who didn't understand what he meant, since Allah is within you and within me.) But oh no, what am I saying!! Isn't that against the shariah, if seen within the limited view of those who would claim to be masters of it? This is why (ascended) Sufi Masters make light of the "Wielders of the Shariah". It was the same well-meaning leaders which Rumi and countless others have repeatedly argued against and either won (like Rumi) or died (like Al-Hallaj.) But the fact remains, the Heart of a Momin is the Key to Allah. Why else would another ascended master (Ali KAW) say: Man Arafa Nafsuhoo, Arafa Rabbuhoo.
Superman you say that we are not "part, or fractions, of Allah." I concour, but then how would you explain the Hadeeth-e-Qudsi: "The ENTIRE universe cannot contain Me, but the Heart of a Momin CAN." This hadith says a Momin's heart can contain Allah. It still does not say that the Momin is a fraction of Allah. How can something be contained in its own fraction? Can an ocean be contained in a glass of water taken from the ocean (its own fraction)? This hadith is not supposed to be taken literally as Termi_nader has pointed out because then what you are essentially saying is that a Momin's heart contains more space than the whole universe.
Superman:
Salaam Bro WitStorm, which you are indeed. (Good name, I mean.) In order to answer your question, I'll ask you a similar question: Am I a part of every cell in my body? Stop and think on this before proceeding further, please. Am I a PART of the smallest living piece of me? I beg a brief thought-extrapolation, if you will, in order to construct an appropriate answer:
Have you seen the movie 'The 5th Element'? I am _not_ espousing anything but the medical technology demonstrated at the beginning of the movie. A small surviving part of the body of a near-fatal crash victim (a cell) is used to reconstruct the entire remaining body. This is merely an advancement of current technologies, and nothing miraculuous. (The survivor _was_ a masterful being in the movie, and therefore may be more capable or able to retain a connection to its living self, as some people with half their bodies cut off are able to, while others cannot. But we digress.-) If you look your question from this vantage point, then the 'glass' did in fact contain the ocean. (Which it does, I recall reading the same from some ascended master, which I can post if asked.) The point being, "Allah's statement should not be diluted simply because some lack the understanding to comprehend what the words mean".
My understanding of these words is that the Heart (the feeling center of your body, which is slightly above your kidneys inside your rib-cage, where you feel the desire to hug a child or someone you love) of a Momin (not just a Believer) is 'the point of connection with "The Infinite All"' (read "Allah, Aarifah, Ascent to the Source, etc.")
The heart is the seat of the soul. The heart of a Momin is the place where a direct and unrestrained link exists to Allah, since our soul is nothing more than the Divine Ruh which Allah SWT blew into the clay shell of Adam AS's body upon its creation. That is what the Rajeem (Iblis, Lucifer, Shaitan) did't realize when he said he won't bow to a being of clay, himself made of fire. Allah wasn't getting all the malaikah to do sajdah (literally) to the animated clay figure; Allah wanted those who were capable (of comprehending it) to know that it was the Ruh of Allah which gave life to this man that was being acknowledged. That Ruh is within you and within me. (Closer than the jugular vein, remember?) This is what makes you and I Allah's Khalifah in all of creation.
People like the Buddah, Rumi, Bu Yazid Bustani, Saint Mark, Lau Tzu, Rasool Allah (S) and countless others _realized_ this connection, which gave them True Gnosis (more than just knowledge of it,) and that is the ultimate aim of any true sufi.
Now if you ask me the obvious question, my answer will be within the answer to this question: Why did Al-Bustani (and Al-Hallaj for that matter) start saying "I am Allah"? (For this Hallaj wilingly died, upon refusing to stop when asked by those who didn't understand what he meant, since Allah is within you and within me.) But oh no, what am I saying!! Isn't that against the shariah, if seen within the limited view of those who would claim to be masters of it? This is why (ascended) Sufi Masters make light of the "Wielders of the Shariah". It was the same well-meaning leaders which Rumi and countless others have repeatedly argued against and either won (like Rumi) or died (like Al-Hallaj.) But the fact remains, the Heart of a Momin is the Key to Allah. Why else would another ascended master (Ali KAW) say: Man Arafa Nafsuhoo, Arafa Rabbuhoo.
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"Al Qalb-ul Mominee al Arsh Allah."
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The qalb (innacurately translated as heart, more so as "seat of the soul") of a Momin (a Complete Believer, one who _has_ Peace,) is the Arsh (Throne, Penthouse, choice spot) of Allah. This HQ is also translated as:
Allah says: "The Entire Universe cannot contain me, but the heart of a Momin can." Hence my statement..
A drop DOES contain the ocean.
Everything is a seed for everything else.
If Allah can be contained in my heart,
is my heart anything more than a drop of this universe?
Br. WitStorm, you have to read my JE "I found Allah at BurningMan" before responding to this post. I am here to formally disagree with you, and to lodge a protest against your last sentence as I believe it can potentially close minds, nauz'bilLah. The sentence in reference is "The only day humans will see Allah.."
I have just returned from BM'05 (read the JE requested above of WS, kind reader, and you will follow.) I contend that Judgement Day is NOW. Time is irrelevant anyway. All this is judgement day. To Allah it is all one day, and it will be to us all as well, as and when time will play backwards and everything will be revealed to us all. So, if I redefine "day" as 'all Time', then your sentence says that "I can see Allah today." And that is TRUE. Read the JE mentioned above, "Finding Allah at BurningMan" _is_ a true experience, because that is what I went there seeking, and that is the lesson I bring back.
I went with the one camp that goes there to serve. We create a temple-space where all faiths come and practice. I started with an adhaan and said numerous prayers there. Even left my prayer rug within, to the veneration of all. And was accepted as a holy man among many holy dignitaries.
It is true that you find at BurningMan what you go there seeking. The same is true of life. This camp (winkingLotus.com) creates the one chill space that enables the weary traveller to unwind, to relax, to be served tea and if fortunate, Friendwiches (double grilled-cheese with butter) late at night. We help people who overdose on drugs, and provide a relazed space to catch a nap during the hot day. Serving tea and water, we are ever present hosts to neverending guests, Alhamdulillah. People have written testimonials about how this space, the burn barrels outside (of which I carved two, one with the dua of Sulaiman AS - Rabbi Zidni Ilma - in Arabi) and the general ambience we set with soul-stirring music was Divine! And I agree. I was there, working my back off to make it happen.
And my encounter with Allah is no light matter. I see Allah all the time. And I will request you to consider the limitation you place on yourself as well as every nieve reader who comes across your words when you speak the seeming opposite. Buzzaz says the same with much fewer words right before me. Ali KAW said he saw Allah all the time. Are you going to doubt the one who our Beloved Rasool (S) said we should look to, if we want closeness to him (S)? (Or will you try to disappoint me with argument against my last statement? Don't worry, you can't disappoint me. My Allah tells me what I need to hear.)
But whether you argue with my historical statements or not, you cannot argue with the ones that make common sense.. How about this quote from an accomplished muslim female lawyer "Allah comes to us in the faces of our family and loved ones, that we may recognise..."
Does this not strike a chord? I know you have a good heart. How does it feel when you read these words? Was Salaam.
I didn't use the the words that they saw Allah in everything because when talking about Allah, I wanted to be careful in my selection of words. According to my information, The only day humans will see Allah is on the judgement day. So I just wanted to be careful on how I use words and that's why I used the words that they felt Allah everywhere.
I have not seen the movie, but I do not think that the example of that movie holds here. You said, ?. A small surviving part of the body of a near-fatal crash victim (a cell) is used to reconstruct the entire remaining body. This is merely an advancement of current technologies?. I think This is just a science fiction. Medical science cannot reconstruct the rest of the body with one cell. At the most you can clone someone, and for that you would need two cells, one ?non-reproductive? cell of the person who you intend to clone and one reproductive cell of a woman. Even if you clone lets say me, my clone would be a different person. He would look and perhaps have the same emotional tendencies as mine, but my brain, heart and soul would have no control over him. So out of one cell of mine, you can ?construct? another human being identical to me, but cannot ?reconstruct? me.
You quoted, ?Am I a part of every cell in my body?? ??. ?If you look your question from this vantage point, then the 'glass' did in fact contain the ocean.?
I see your point here and I agree to the extent that the glass of water would give the taste of the ocean of which it is a fraction of. My cells would also contain some information of my body, but am I contained in every cell? I am not too sure about that. Consider this. What happens if I donate my cells to somebody else, for example I make my eye donation, blood donation, or bone marrow donation etc. In this case my cells would become the part of somebody else. Now would I still be contained in those cells, or now the new person would be contained in those cells, or both of us? Or None of us? Lets take another case. According to your logic every brick would contain the building inside it. Lets say we take a brick out of a building and put it in another building. Now which building does this brick contain? Building one? Building two? Both ? or None?
You said, ?The heart is the seat of the soul. The heart of a Momin is the place where a direct and unrestrained link exists to Allah.? I totally agree with this. However, my point of view is that for this connection to exist, you do not have to be a ?fraction? of Allah. You just have to be in deep enough love with Allah. You said yourself, ?My understanding ..?is?. the Heart ?.. of a Momin (not just a Believer) is 'the point of connection with "The Infinite All"' (read "Allah, Aarifah, Ascent to the Source, etc.").?
So the hadith and you yourself are saying that only the heart of a ?Momin? can contain Allah. Now if you also assert that Momin?s heart contains Allah because Momin is a fraction of Allah that leads to the conclusion that Momin is a fraction of Him whereas non-Momins and non-Muslims are not. Is it possible that some human beings are His fractions and others not? According to my point of view, Momins are so much in love with Allah and they prove it to Him by being His obedient that Allah opens their hearts, and they have this connection with Him even though they are not His fractions. So even if you are a non-Muslim, you can accept Islam, become a Momin, and then have this connection.
According to my understanding, He made us His khalifa because he gave us more rationality, thinking power, and he made us capable of choosing between right and wrong. I think mere Ruh was not enough for us to be khalifa because animals and insects also have souls.
?Why did Al-Bustani (and Al-Hallaj for that matter) start saying "I am Allah"? According to my understanding, again not because they somehow realized they were fractions of Allah, but since they were so deep in love with Allah that they could not think of any other thing but Allah. So much so that they could not even feel themselves anymore and all they would sense and think was Allah.