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Fatima Zehra (S.A.) - I would like the sunni view
So we all know the high status of Bibi Fatima (S.A.)
Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W.) stated:
"Fatima is a part of my flesh: whoever causes her to be upset, upsets me." (Al-Bukhari, English Translation, Vol. 5, Book 57, Number 111)
Okay so there is an event in history and I have taken an excerpt on it from Wikipedia.org and I would like to see what sunnis say about this event. No reason to scream or shout. It's just your view I want and nothing else. After all this is a factual event in history and I want to know what sunnis have to say about it, even if this has been discussed before.
"Umar al-Khattab was one of Abu Bakr's most zealous supporters. He led a party of armed men against Ali's house in Medina and called for Ali and his men to come out and swear allegiance. He threatened to burn the house down if they did not submit. Ali refused to come out and Umar and his men pushed into the house. Fatima was standing behind the door, and when the door was pushed open suddenly, she was crushed between the wall and door. This caused her severe injury. She was pregnant at the time and she miscarried a son whom the Shi'a call Al Muhsin.
Fatima did not survive long after the demise of her father. According to the Shi'a, before her death she made these requests of Ali:
O Ali, you will personally perform my funeral rites.
Those who have displeased me should not be allowed to attend my funeral.
My corpse should be carried to the graveyard at night.
Ali did as she wished: she was buried at night, and accompanied to the grave by her relatives and sons. The burial was done secretly, so that Abu Bakr and Umar could not attend.
According to the Shi'a, Ali and Fatimah had an additional cause of grievance against Abu Bakr and Umar; Muhammad had owned extensive properties in Medina and Fadak. Fatima believed that these properties should come to her, but Abu Bakr ruled against her. After Fatima's death, Ali renewed his claim to the properties, but was again denied."
Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W.) stated:
"Fatima is a part of my flesh: whoever causes her to be upset, upsets me." (Al-Bukhari, English Translation, Vol. 5, Book 57, Number 111)
Okay so there is an event in history and I have taken an excerpt on it from Wikipedia.org and I would like to see what sunnis say about this event. No reason to scream or shout. It's just your view I want and nothing else. After all this is a factual event in history and I want to know what sunnis have to say about it, even if this has been discussed before.
"Umar al-Khattab was one of Abu Bakr's most zealous supporters. He led a party of armed men against Ali's house in Medina and called for Ali and his men to come out and swear allegiance. He threatened to burn the house down if they did not submit. Ali refused to come out and Umar and his men pushed into the house. Fatima was standing behind the door, and when the door was pushed open suddenly, she was crushed between the wall and door. This caused her severe injury. She was pregnant at the time and she miscarried a son whom the Shi'a call Al Muhsin.
Fatima did not survive long after the demise of her father. According to the Shi'a, before her death she made these requests of Ali:
O Ali, you will personally perform my funeral rites.
Those who have displeased me should not be allowed to attend my funeral.
My corpse should be carried to the graveyard at night.
Ali did as she wished: she was buried at night, and accompanied to the grave by her relatives and sons. The burial was done secretly, so that Abu Bakr and Umar could not attend.
According to the Shi'a, Ali and Fatimah had an additional cause of grievance against Abu Bakr and Umar; Muhammad had owned extensive properties in Medina and Fadak. Fatima believed that these properties should come to her, but Abu Bakr ruled against her. After Fatima's death, Ali renewed his claim to the properties, but was again denied."
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allahumma laan abdul wahab najdi
allahumma laan aba sufiyan wa muawiya wa yazid ibne muawiya
next topic please..
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Same thing - just like "Shia" and "Righteous" (H)
So many unanswered questions.
I'd respond faster with citations from the primary sources if I didn't have to translate always, but of course...never think that ANYTHING you people claim can be left unrefuted. I've clearly shocked that new girl in our village when i brought to her attention that you people cut that part of hadith on upsetting Aysha and hid the rest of it which makes cleare that Ali is in the story who upset her! Why don't you respond to that first, Mr. Know-All???
I'll return, but before I do that...let me bring something to ur attention: that Saqifah place is called 'Saqifat Bani SAA'IDAH', not "Bani Saqifah"!!! hahahaha
As for the rest of the kids here who clap only when some Shia superhero emerges (temporarily with few feeble arguments), why don't you leave real comments on most of the threads, huh? Including you Ahooee, where are you from the perversion of your scholars and Iranian officials? Guy, never think that you can win ONE argument here. You'll soon run like Asif_Ali and Masoomeen and QueenJafri and Sister222 and Masooma and Craft and Farha whatever and QueenTemptress of whatever :) Remember that all the documents I show stand unrefuted, and if you come and leave some BS* here and call that a responses...don't think you've conquered, mister majoos!!
Mehnaz, yes, you're Iraqi and Khatami, Khamin'i, Khomeini, Nasrallah, Sistani & Fadlallah are all Hashemites, ahahahahahahahaha.
Al-Zahra (A.S.) went around the meeting places of al-Ansar, asking for support for her cousin and husband and they said: "O daughter of the Messenger of Allah, we have already acclaimed that man, and if your husband and cousin had approached us before him, we would have supported him."
Ali (A.S.) said: "Would I leave the messenger of Allah (S.A.A.W) in his house unburied and go to argue with people about his authority?. Fatima (A.S.) said: " Abu al - Hasan did what was expected from him, and for what they did Allah will hold them responsible and accountable".
(tarikh al-khulafa BY ibn qutaybah, VOL. 1, P.19)
btw every sunni believes about bani Saqifa right - you can dispute everything else we say but you can't dispute this event - where your leaders - Omar, Abu Bakr, were attending a political election during Rasool Allah's funeral - just so the holy family would not be in attendance at the election - I don't know man like is there not something called common sense here - sorry but you need not send me another email Mr.Silky worm about following the right path to save myself from the hells fire - cuz if following abunch of hypocrites and corrupt rulers - ppl who run away from the war and leave their prophet behind - assures you d heavens..well I dont want the heavens then..
and y'all can come up with more doctored hadiths about our holy Prophet's family but nothing can ever lower there status ..bas khalas..
ok on to d next discussion. Oh God I don't know if my mind can take any more rubbish though!?
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because he solds a property of theirs for thousands of dirhams but left his household nothing of that money! according to this narration the Prophet meddled and stopped angry fatimah from hitting ali!!!!!
use Shia Arabs to verify, if I'm not credible in your eyes!!!
Ali DOES upset Fatimah, obviously!!!
AND this is a Sistani agreement!!!!!!! members.lycos.co.uk
you can see the words 'min walad...' or 'min waladiha' (from her offspring', meaning Fatimah, with the preceding phrase(s) mentioning 12 Imams from Fatimah and Ali!!!!
THEN WHAT IS ALI???? THE 13TH?????
use Arab Shia to verify, but I have 30 Shia sources right now!! I wish if I had those books in English or if you had them!!!!
You decide now where you're going, to heaven or hell, by insisting on what's being made clear to you is the 'wrong path', or sincerely seeking the truth and changing the path into that which is straight.
your fellow Shia are too proud and ignorant to admit what I'm showing them, and too lazy also to check!!! Why don't you go search that narration in Bukhari and see for yourself that what I said is TRUE (that the hadith was on the even of Ali wanting to get engaged to Abu Jahl's daughte, then marry her)??????? Why are you people so lazy when it comes to deen, TO JANNAH OR JAHANNAM, heaven or hell??? You are not lazy in school!!! You all become doctors and engineers!!! You'd search the farthest libraries for a source on a paper you're writing, or for a big exam, and the biggest exam of all, this dunya, you voluntarily choose to FAIL?????????
I said it before and I say it again: everything you were born into is a MYTH, never happened!!!! Abu Bakr and Omar and the Sahaabah are NOTHING of what your sick scholars have been telling you!!!! All their allegations are based on mere fabrications and lies or delibarete misunderstandings of the text (if brought from our books), or 'cut from the context' like we see with this hadith from Bukhari!!! They know you people WON'T CHECK after them, they know you are too lazy to do that, but not lazy to pay khums or walk steadly toward mut'ah (mostly guys do that, not girls, for the girls will retain mostly the sound fitrah of frowning upon such 'temporary marriage'),....but you have to think for yourself, you have to know that there are dishonest people out there who thrive on your ignorance!!!!! Shi'ism is a business (for khums collectors), its a showdown on the part of the Persian bigots and the Zoroastirans (majoos) wanting to avenge the destruction of the Sassanid empire at the hands of Muslim Arabs!!!!
You all wouldn't be now "Shia" if it weren't for a Sahaabi travelling thousands of miles to bring you to Islam, which later those who deviated from the path and forced conversion on Iran (in the Safavid era) to become Shia..., those people took you out of Islam!!!! Go read the 'original sources', stop relying on others for your biggest exam!!!!!!! I'm saying this with absolute and sincere concern for the good hearted among you, and I feel you Dimples are from those!!!! The other Shia jokers here like Mehnaz are too proud to admit they are on the wrong path, too ignorant to know how to respond to what I said (here, below, or elsewhere in this village), but someone should stop being lazy and go check!!! It's jannah or jahannam!!!! It's being on a religion with innovative rituals and practices that will be rejected, since they amount to nothing before Allah (for they are a corruption of the real teachings maintained by Sunnis, and not even all Sunnis -for many of those also went astray or ignorant of the right way to do things or believe in them)!!! You have to know that most people on earth aren't scholars, that the scholars we take our deen from are infallible, and many are dishonest and would misguide you for mere, low, temporary worldly gains, or at the result of their own ignorance and misguidance!!!! Nine years ago I was contemplating Shi'ism with a neutral eye after reading most of Tijani's "Then I was Guided", but today I'm who I am...a "Wahhabi". Why don't you ask me why, when I was then completely obvious of the existence of Wahhabis/Salafis and knowing nothing but being a Sunni (along with the ignorance of what that meant really!!)
Religion is not about co-existence, or..Islam is not about that!!! Islam came to make alll peoples surrender to the One and Only one worthy of worship!!! If you knew the Quran you'd see ample evidence about raising Allah's word high above all else's, be it with money, words or swords!!! We take steps before finally resorting to the sword, if our words aren't allowed to be voiced and our message conveyed!! As Muslims we pity the ignorant, misguided souls, and we care about them so much that we'd, like our Arab ancestors, travel thousands of miles upon thousands...just to tell them about what we have!!!
I've always challenged the Shia here to prove me wrong, but they are too ignorant to know how to combat my arguments. Some would resort to completely ruling them out, citing 'fabrication'!!! They think I'm waiting for their khums, or am I being sent checks from Abu Bakr and Omar in their graves???? I ain't gaining anything from inviting you to Islam but Allah's rewards, while you'll gain a much brighter 'story of Islam' compared to the one you know now!!! You'll win the Sahaabah and NOT LOSE Ahlulbayt!!!!! You'll know the real truths of those 'battles' that were filled with lies and fabricated narrations invented by dishonest partisans and hateful bigots back then!!!! You'll know why the love of those real Sahaabah (who brought Islam to the India you and all those Shia Indians are from, and the Quran you enjoy reading)...why their love is so deep and growing with every born Muslim, and why despite 5 centuries since the forced conversion of Iran into Twelver Shi'ism...., all the Shia (twelver or not) worldwide do not exceed 11% of those calling them Muslim worldwide!!!!! Imagine, that's the result after FIVE CENTURIES.....WITH....FORCED CONVERSION, followed by exploitation of the ignorant masses, by employing the love and sympathy Sunnis surely have for Ahlulbayt...to turn the Muslims (Sunnis) into Shia EASILY by citing before the ignorants of them...those weak, fabricated, out-of-context narrations...to drive they astray and away from Islam!!!!
Clearly, the perfect, final religion of Islam cannot have all the mess I've been showing here. Something is wrong. Shi'ism is wrong. And if you won't revert to the true religion, that's not because I haven't done a good job here trying to unveil Shi'ism to you (which I believe is hidden from you, thanks to your scholars), but because..you'll have to question your real intention out of being here: knowledge for its own sake, or the TRUTH???? Are you here 'playing' or serious about who is right or wrong?
The immature Shia visiting this village will only accept winning over us, but that won't happen but to the very ignorant. Meanwhile, we 'convert' the most knowledgable, most sincere, and there are plenty of examples in real-life!! And hey, all Sunnis love Ahlulbayt and are saddened for what befell Hussein in Karbala, but we are 'consoled' with the sure knowledge of him being a martyr, now enjoying the bounties of Allah in Jannah, while those who assasinated him are dwelling in the Fire, forever inshallah!!!!
The Shia here trying to convert us, what are you really trying to do if we already love Ahlulbayt and send prayers to them in our daily salat???? You won't us to reject the Sahaabah and slander the Prophet's wives, based on your misconceptions, misunderstandings of the text, and the fabricated narrations we know that's their state???????? Well, if Iblis will be admitted to Jannah, then we'll conver to Shi'ism!!!! You have alot to explain and answer before trying to convert us into your way!!!
Before you is the internet, find from our Sunni or "Wahhabi" websites ONE LINE you can incriminate us with or condemn us for hating Ahlulbayt!!!! ONE LINE!!!! THOUSANDS OF WEBSITES AWAIT YOU, WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING???????
I'll tell you what you've been doing: citing cut hadiths from their contexts (like the above hadith of Bukhari), saying lies and knowing your followers or the ignorant Sunnis won't check after you.
I asked the Shia to use Shia Arabs to verify what I say, or to put more time into the internet and check what I say, but seems like everyone is too lazy or just too afraid to be proven wrong, or too proud. Await the Day of Judgement then, and before that...await the triumph of Islam (Sunni Islam) worldwide. May you live long enough to witness that day, including the re-conquest of Persia we are told in our Prophetic hadiths. Indeed, the pre-Islamic Arabs' world knew 2 major powers, the Persians and the Romans. Now the two are back, both armed to the teeth while the Arabs are deliberately deprived of rulers who identify with their people's aspirations, or arms to combat with them the real outside invaders. But nothing ever stays the same, and the Arabs will be 'resurrected' again, or rise up from the ashes, like they did in the 7th century, after they were looked down and belittled by the neighbouring powers, the camel herders, and the desert inhabitants in less than 70 years would reach and control what the Roman empire (the most powerful the world knew until then) couldn't achieve in 7 centuries!!!!!!! We are coming back, the signs of the vanguards, their sounds, their speeches and pictures, fill the news today. You know who they are, and you know the Western / Safavid-Shia / or apostate Jahili Arabs' media is not a credible source on the true state of Jihad and Mujahidin or their operations. Attempts to defame them and ascribe to them acts of sheer murder..only the ignorant deserving of continued misguidance...only such ones will fall to those desperate attempts by the enemies of Allah and Islam.
and let's leave heavens and hell for God to decide..as muslims we must take the hatred out of our hearts..after all religion is intended for co-existense.
Jazak Allah.