"Hadith-e-Kisaa" Omitted by Orders from Khamin'i !!! ~persian scan~

Login to find out (April 10, 2006 at 6:00pm)

nice

Login to find out (April 10, 2006 at 9:42am)

Umer... it's over here...
www1.naseeb.com vlID=1414

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 9:34pm)

Ahooee: i'm positive that hadith was discussed in a previous post. let me summarize. that hadith is only substantiated by one weak chain. it DOES NOT constitue substantial proof.

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 9:26pm)

Desihulk shut ur azz up before i shout u out again

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 8:13pm)

There has been more from me, Mr. too-confident, but where have you been? Sorry, don't know Arabic? Why don't you use ur Shia Arab then? Or did you and they couldn't show a face here like the Shia Arabs on the Arabic forums? What, all the posts I've been leaving here..are not of that "more from me" you expected but never found or saw??? hahaha, take off those silly eye glasses, seems like they are clouding up the world for you!!

As for the exact translation of that article, I'll refer to a former-Shia, now-Sunni Persian sister I know on the web, then get back with the full translation inshallah, and more on ur "hadis-e-kisaa"!! But as for whether Ahlul-Bayt include the wives or not, let's see what marjia al-Khou'i had to say on that:

cover >>> www.wylsh.com
page >>> www.wylsh.com

Now, why don't you quote the full version of the hadith on upsetting Fatimah for that lost Shia girl who just joined us??? :) I'll leave u with this assignment for now :)

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 7:25pm)

Very informative post, AHoee but let me give you a nutshell preview of the response you will invariably get. "Must we continue to go around in circles? Don't you people read? How many times must we tell you that there is such a thing as a weak Hadith and a strong one and that any hadith that validates your beliefs, obviously, has a weak isnad. This is exactly why you people only comprise 15% of the Muslim Ummah at best. Hope that clarifies any confusion. You guys are seriously out to lunch far as a bulk of your understanding of islamic history goes." Yup, with brilliant arguments like these, it would seem some naseebers have resolved the age-old shia-sunni differences in creed in a matter of months, if not weeks of commenting on naseeb lol.

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 6:22pm)

So then why the Prophet had reacted as contrary to one of his wives (Um Salama)? what it should be made out of the following hadith?

Another version of the "Tradition of Cloak" is written in Sahih al-Tirmidhi, which is narrated in the authority of Umar Ibn Abi Salama, the son of Umm Salama (another wife of Prophet), which is as follows:

The verse "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH& HF) in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, the Prophet gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then the Prophet said: "O' Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification." Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: "Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?" the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending."

reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 351,663

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 6:14pm)

essentially ahlul bayt consists of the prophet's wives.

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 6:12pm)

ahooee instead of trying to raise this issue again i suggest you continue the discussion going on about this subject on other threads. so far you guys havn't offered much a rebuttal on the other threads. by raising this issue afresh in a new thread ur forcing us to retrace steps we've already been through.

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 6:10pm)

Now for your information the following is the original and authenticated Hadith of Kasa which is available in both Sunni and Shia texts. Below is only one (out of God knows how many) Sunni resource:

? Hadith Kasa(cloak):

Narrated Aisha:

One day the Prophet (PBUH& HF) came out afternoon wearing a black cloak (upper garment or gown; long coat), then al-Hasan Ibn Ali came and the Prophet accommodated him under the cloak, then al-Husain came and entered the cloak, then Fatimah came and the Prophet entered her under the cloak, then Ali came and the Prophet entered him to the cloak as well. Then the Prophet recited: "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification (the last sentence of Verse 33:33)."

reference:
Sahih Muslim, Chapter of virtues of companions, section of the virtues of the Ahlul-Bayt of the Prophet (PBUH& HF), 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1883, Tradition #61

If interested more can be found in this link (in Arabic): www.14masom.com

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 6:07pm)

My dear

I expected more from you. Well it is not your fault as you do not understand Persian and just copying and pasting materials from other sites which would love to drop some contents of the original message so it looks upside down.

Please let me explain to you what has been written in the link in a nutshell:

Mr. Rayshahri (and not Khamini) has ordered omitting an unknown version of Hadith al Kasa from Mafatih Al Jannan while emphasizing the authenticity and validity of the original version of Hadith Al Kasa.

( exactly 180 degrees opposite of what has been claimed.)

Login to find out (April 9, 2006 at 3:33am)

SO ????? C'MON, KHAMIN'I IS WRONG NOW???????

ANYBODY?? HELLOOOO!!!

Login to find out (April 7, 2006 at 4:14pm)

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