Well I finally went civi camping for the victoria day long weekend and i tell u it is different, it is nice and relaxing and and u can actually use trails when u go for a hike and u can actually have a big fire and not worry about being tactical so basically i loved it and i think i will do it again:) i also took some pics of the caves in hocking hills area in ohio but unfortunatly i cant put them up coz i am not a paying member. as far as the hocking hills are concerned, it is a beautiful area u have every thing nice rolling hills to steep rock faces and some really nice water falls:)