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I came to this website to learn more about the sunni/shia debate. Needless to say 'the debate' is an illusion. Its more about long running hatreds being exposed everyday. Lets try to overcome this endless feuding starting with one practical suggestion.

Lets all and that means everyone ignore any and every posting (JE or otherwise) from Silkysword. Clearly he has a moronic agenda that goes beyond discussion and debate. Don't react to any of his jibes or his idiotic JEs. If we ignore him long enough, maybe he'll give up and go away and we can have some decent discussions (We can only hope?)
 

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Login to find out (February 18, 2006 at 10:00pm)
i enjoy silkys barking
 
Login to find out (February 18, 2006 at 3:16am)
ok.. good bye nasira111. As for Notgreeneyes.. how can you be so sure you'll receive jannat? The 10 sahaba who were guaranteed jannat (and knew about it) still had immense fear in their hearts for Allah and feared his wrath. Yet we have 'notgreeneyes' here so sure she'll run skipping pass the gates of jannah!! Also, I wonder why you put 'other' as your religious affiliation. HMMMM.. last I checked MUSLIMS are the ones granted jannah. Tough luck!
 
Login to find out (February 17, 2006 at 8:00pm)
Well,...I tried but I guess people really like giving and taking abuse more than they would like to really understand their religion and live as good people with Islam in their hearts.

I actually don't like taking this kind of religious abuse and try to stay away from people whose lives are caught up in religious hatreds and battles fought 1300 years ago. So I'll just say goodbye and you all can carry on abusing each other and your religion your heart's content.
 
Login to find out (February 17, 2006 at 4:25pm)
u girl who wrote this silly journal,..i think u r sunni, no? ur mother aysha is slandered by the shia, is cursed,... r u not a mo'min (believer)? allah said the propeht's wives are our mothers!! if i curse ur mother and accuse her of zina, hypocrisy, and everything vile and low (until they went as far, in one of their books, as saying that she, our mother Aysha, collected 20 dinars from having haram sex with some man!!!!), and u want me to respect these ppl???? if they fool u with their "hazrat" title fixed before her name in their village, or before abu bakr's or omar's (if ever)..then they can't fool me!!! the prophet of allah says in a hadith: whoever respects an innovator then he'll have aided in the destruction of islam!!!

and these ignorant shia commoners here..the least that can be said about them is that they are 'innovators'. innovators are still condemned to hell for their misguidance and preaching it. early muslims would banish or lash or in extreme cases even execute them, and u want me to LISTEN to them???? the prophet's disciples, his sahaabah, would put their fingers in their ears lest the misconceptions of the innovators of the early times (nothing to be compared with those who appeared in later times, like the rafidhi shia and sufis) echo in their hearts and minds and cause fitnah to them!!! they are humans, they know that no human is safe from fitnah as long as he's alive. they would not allow them to publicize their misguidance out of concern over islam's purity and orthodoxy, and u want to debate with them???? u dont even have any knowledge!!!!!! at least i know their arguments and know the answer to all of them, ...if i walked away...u think u will be doing any better..or will find in ur area whoever will help u??? most likely u won't find any. we sunnis, on the level of commoners, aren't prepared for their propaganda because we don't know it even exists. them...they are fed hatred towards sunnis and sahabah from their earliest years of childhood; there are authentic storie of 'real' shia parents planting the hate of abu bakr and omar in their kids' conscience by takign his toy away from him, and then tell him that 'omar' took it form him!!! if this isn't true of these still-ignorant, westernized shia here....then this only makes them relatively better than their 'hardcore' coreligionists whom i have audio files of them sentencing every non-shia to hell, esp. those who think abu bakr and omar are muslims (i.e. us sunnis! and i believe love of sahabah isn't restricted to us "wahhabi" sunnis only).

i will never show respect or love toward those who seek to corrupt islam and defame it by their mere existence.

we've pretty much never passed the stage of discussing Yazid with them, lol! we told them we don't love him, but we still don't swear at him! in fact he may be forgiven his sins cuz he led the first army that invaded constantinople; according to a hadith the first army to do that allah will forgive them their sins. they will say he was gay, he used to drink, whatever, all that is TRASH, they can't bring authentic proofs on it, like all their trash about Harun al-Rashid killing Musa al-Kazim or whatever!! I have their books saying that al-Kazim drank the poison while knowing it was gonna kill him (i.e. HE COMMITTED SUICIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

they don't have their major books online, otherwise i'd have brought them all those citations in english instead of my scanned arabic pages!!! and they dont care really about their deen much to check if they were on the truth or not!! my blog has my story when i was first introduced to shiism, then sufism and salafism simultaneuously, and i chose to be a salafi ("wahhabi"). i read for all sides, in arabic and english, so i made an informed decision, whether clowns like Umer000000 liked this or not.

and u smoked deobandi, show me my bad grammer, plz!! u have a whole month to collect enough evidence till u establish ur claim on a solid base.

as for adab with ur likes or ur shia brothers and sisters, that is something u can expect from me in ur dreams. even that is impossible. in a khilafah context u'd all be locked in a prision, and depending on ur level of misguidance either u r to stay there till u stink and die, or we rush in ending ur lousy, pathetic life and execute u. ur likes dont deserve to walk on Allah's earth. he's made it not for ur likes, and like he allowed us to raise swords over ur heards, he surely allows raising our voices and 'harshening' our speech and making fun of u that ur image, like ur arguments, be utterly and totally destroyed.

and he laughs most who laughs last. and before allah the foes shall be gathered.
 
Login to find out (February 17, 2006 at 4:20pm)
The keeper: if you recall correctly (and honestly), you used the cr@p word first. you condescended my beliefs first...lets see if you can admit it.
 
Login to find out (February 17, 2006 at 12:21pm)
Aside from his extremely bad grammar and even worse adab sometimes the substance of his arguments are decent...
 
Login to find out (February 17, 2006 at 11:19am)
Nasira, unfortunately, I have to disagree with you. He may be harsh towards certain indviduals....but whether he stays or goes...there are others here who actually use provoking methods and call other peoples' beliefs cr@p....

In my humble opinion, it won't really make much of a difference. At least he says some productive facts and solid historical events. I am willing to get that much out of it.

Others only spew sarcasm and hatred.
 
Login to find out (February 16, 2006 at 11:44pm)
no respect for the slanderers of our mothers (the prophet's wives) and the prophet's companions!!! only swords and harsh words.

u know u can't resist my INTERESTING posts, lol.