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Making a bargain with God


Most of us have been in situations where we've made a bargain with God. By that I mean we say we will, for example, be a better muslim, pray more, or do x, y or z as long as He gets us out of the situation we are in at that time.

Is it right to do such a thing?

Is it right to do such a thing when you kind of know that you won't keep your end of the bargain?
 

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Login to find out (October 1, 2005 at 3:42am)
i like that idea bg--i think going out of your way to help people is something that helps me feel connected with God
 
Login to find out (September 30, 2005 at 8:56pm)
What happens if you turn the tables around a bit?

Instead of asking, you do something God really likes, and often.

What is that one thing God really likes that will make your wishes more likely possible in the future?
 
Login to find out (September 27, 2005 at 5:42pm)
As for making a bargain with God, if we are promising to do something that is the bare minimum or is already an essential requirement of our religion...how strong of a promise is it? Isn't it a kind of a loophole of an exchange? Wouldn't God just want us to practice the basic teachings of our religion in full compliance rather than take on new promises when we aren't even following the basics a 100%? Also, in making a bargain, are we putting a contingency tag on God's mercy?
 
Login to find out (September 27, 2005 at 5:35pm)
"free-loading off of God's will." Very interesting point. I've thought that way a few times myself. However, I also wonder whether God wants and expects us to ask for his mercy. After all, it is one of his many attributes.
 
Login to find out (September 27, 2005 at 1:20am)
The promise is just the start, your true test lies in the fact that you do keep your promise for the rest of your life, no good deed is momentary or bound by a time frame. Breaking your promise is your loss, coss God doesnt need you, you need God and his benevolence.
 
Login to find out (September 26, 2005 at 10:41pm)
These aren't just any bargains that can be written off easily... You maintain your end for the rest of your life - often times it is the one chip that we baragain with that we know is next to impossible to change after striking such a deal.... yes, in a perfect world you keep your end of the bargain, but look at the time frame you have when making a deal with Him...
 
Login to find out (September 26, 2005 at 8:27pm)
I dont see the big deal in saying you will do X if God helps you with Y. Why not? However, it is rather audacious not to keep your end up of the bargain!
 
Login to find out (September 25, 2005 at 10:49am)
I'm ready and willing to make such a bargain with God today... should I uphold my end of it... I'll keep you posted.
 
Login to find out (September 24, 2005 at 11:09pm)
prepare for the worst hope for the best and show appreciation for everything
 
Login to find out (September 23, 2005 at 11:24pm)
Is it better to pray for a lot or for a few things?
 
Login to find out (September 22, 2005 at 2:36am)
well, as humans our knowledge is quite limited so we dunno what we are asking for is good for us or bad for us, so best du'a is to ask for something that is beneficial for us in this life and hereafter..

life is simple, whereas we keep on trying to make it as complex as possible.. Follow the KISS formula..

cheers,
sb
 
Login to find out (September 21, 2005 at 7:19pm)
Manas,

"In our prayers, is it best to ask for what's for the best and that we can peacefully accept God's verdict rather than what we desire as an outcome?"

As long as you keep working on your spiritual side so that you can receive every now and again what you want from prayers.
 
Login to find out (September 21, 2005 at 7:15pm)
Shazia04,

If your intentions were good, then it's all right.

" . . . free-loading off of God's will??", that is interesting.
 
Login to find out (September 21, 2005 at 10:22am)
how about praying for strength to cope with the result of whatever happens? that covers virtually any scenario - both good and not so good.

dont you think it is good that someone can want something so much that they pray - and not only pray, but that they offer up some kind of payment from themselves as well? as opposed to prayer alone which is free-loading off of God's will??
 
Login to find out (September 19, 2005 at 7:53pm)
I wanna pray for justice with peace. can i keep them both ?
 
Login to find out (September 19, 2005 at 10:51am)
i agree that human emotions do not run the course of logic, and that Allah(S) can judge our intentions best.

However, when praying for the well-being of a loved one....what do you guys have to say about the idea of praying for peace instead of a given outcome. like in the face that your loved one may be the victim of a hate crime, would you pray for justice or would you pray for peace?

In our prayers, is it best to ask for what's for the best and that we can peacefully accept God's verdict rather than what we desire as an outcome?
 
Login to find out (September 18, 2005 at 11:09pm)
I think my computer is infected with spy-ware that can't be detected by my NoAdware program :*

And I paid a flipping license fee for that piece of sh*t software :@ !!!

I think I know Who's to blame
*CF looks accusingly up to the sky* :#

*Then CF feels daft, cos he realises She's everywhere* :P
 
Login to find out (September 18, 2005 at 8:12pm)
there is nothing wrong with making dua for benefits in this life.. don't we ask for long life and good wife ( i would have used spouse, but it just doesn't rhyme with life..).

so i guess, doing good deeds and then making dua for returns in this world is perfectly fine. It's just that asking for hereafter makes more sense.
 
Login to find out (September 18, 2005 at 4:37pm)
i have no idea whatsoever what God would or wouldn't do in case of supplication.
bur it probably wouldn't hurt.
we do du'a all the time for all kinds of things, in the mosques in our homes, everywhere.

this seems a slightly different version of the same process.
and you're right it could have been a test or anything else (it could have even just been natural laws kicking in, leading too her pathology w/o God's intending it as punishment or reward or anything)

is it logical? probably not, but much of what we do is illogical (people love their kids, despite them being a serious drain on their $$$, time, energy and everything else) people love other people, even if they are scuzz, self-centered, arrogant buggers.

people put up with CF when he clearly deserves to be taken outside and beaten with a sack full of cats.

it's illogical but we do it.
so, is her supplication, in this way, a bargain type situation, wrong? i don't think so.

good for her for trying. being weak infront of the power of the almighty is part of what makes us human, understanding his role in our lives is real and direct is part of what makes us muslims.
 
Login to find out (September 18, 2005 at 4:02pm)
She took her hijab off only to start wearing it again a few years later when she was ready. But do you really think that if Allah(S) had planned for someone's surgery to be unsuccessful, he would change his decision simply b/c her loving daughter promised to wear hijab? I mean what if it was intended to be a trial to test the iman of the entire family irrespective of whatever good deeds they commit? And we always hear of how this life is temporary, so isn't it even more nonsensical to promise to make a change in your life for the comfort of your parent's well-being that will only bring you peace in this life and mean nothing in the hereafter?