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MARRYING OUT OF ISLAM


I WAS TALKING TO MY SIKH FRIEND, HE WAS TELLING ME HOW THEY MOVED HOME AS THERE SISTERS WERE GETTING OLDER AND THE MUSLIM BOYS IN THE AREA KEPT LOOKING AT THEM, SO THEY MOVED BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENED!!

THEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ASAIN WOMEN IN LONDON WITH BLACK MEN AND HE ASKED ME,,"AREN'T WE GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU GALS ANYMORE"

THIS GUY MADE ME THINK ABOUT CERTAIN QUESTIONS!!

BUT WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON DATING OR MARRYING A NON-MUSLIM?????
 

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Login to find out (February 6, 2006 at 5:17am)
BUT STILL IF ONE PERSON FEARS A WIFE/HUSBAND AND CHANGES FOR THEM AND NOT FOR THE FEAR OF ALLAH THATS WRONG,,,, BUT I SUPPOSE IT IS SAID THAT "ALLAH IS THE MERCIFUL AND FORGIVING"

I WAS READING THE QURAN AND REALIZED SO MANY THINGS SAID IN THE QURAN WERE SO TRUE, IT WAS REALLY LIKE I WAS READING A BOOK ON HOW TO GUIDE MY WAY OF LIFE, THE QURAN MENTIONS EVERYTHING FROM THE PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE ETC ETC!!!

I WAS READING ABOUT JINNS, SPIRITS AND HOW THEY ARE MADE FROM FIRE AND HOW POWERFUL THEY ARE AND WHY THEY WILL BE ANSWERABLE ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL NEVER DIE TILL THAT DAY!!
 
Login to find out (January 24, 2006 at 12:07pm)
Man woman stop sleeping around because their spouse not because of Allah: They get rewarded for stopping if they actually stop sincerely. Te important thing is that evil is stopped. but they get doouble reward for doing it for Allah's sake if that is also sincere.

Responsibility to guide children: Whether one marries a Muslim or a non-Muslim, he has a duty of care and guidance to their children (as per Qur'an 66 verse 6). Each person shall be judged by the strength of their efforts on their children. Some children learn from their parents' action not their words, and the children will call Allah to punish their parents for their misguidance on the day of judgement (Qur'an, no reference at the moment). However, some children will just get lost no matter the parents' efforts.

Allah knows best.
 
Login to find out (January 23, 2006 at 12:21pm)
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR A VERY GOOD CONTRIBUTION TO THIS TOPIC??

I AGREE WITH MANY PPL HERE REGARDING MARRYING A NON-MUSLIM??

I HAVE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION BELOW AS ITS BEEN IN MY MIND FOR A WHILE,,,??

IF A MUSLIM MAN/WOMAN IS SLEEPING AROUND BEFORE MARRIAGE WITH NO FEAR OF ALLAH,,,,, ONE DAY THEY STOP AS THEY FEAR THERE WIFE/HUSBAND,,,,,,,IS THIS WRONG,,, AS A MUSLIM SHOULD LEARN TO FEAR ALLAH AND OBEY ALLAH AND NOT BE SCARED OF HIS/HER SPOUSE??????

ALSO, IF A MUSLIM MARRIES A NON MUSLIM IT IS HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THE CHILDREN ARE FOLLOWING ISLAM, IF HIS CHILDREN TURN OUT TO BE NON MUSLIMS THEN IS HE GOING TO GET PUNISHED FOR THIS????
 
Login to find out (January 19, 2006 at 11:32am)
I hear you Mosby, that is a great perspective on leadership in the home. Jazak'Allah khayr.
 
Login to find out (January 19, 2006 at 10:04am)
Also, it is for a man and woman to keep their personal relationship as private as possible so that it is less open to influence by other family members. Although both partners should keep in mind that it's difficult not to be influenced by their respective families.
 
Login to find out (January 19, 2006 at 10:02am)
leadership in the home isn't about actually 'leading' someone in a heirarchical fashion, by power or by dominance. leadership can be achieved by consensus and since women/children are supposed to seek certain permissions from her husband to do things I guess this makes him the 'leader' but how he chooses to 'lead' is what makes him either a good leader or a bad one. Marital relationships often break down because of 'dominance' rather than leadership.
 
Login to find out (January 19, 2006 at 9:24am)
Mosby: I'm married to a Muslim.

But I have seen a few people whose non-Muslim spouse reverted.

My wife teaches Qur'an reading to a woman who was a mon-Muslim, marries a Muslim, reverted and now practices Islam.

(A)
 
Login to find out (January 19, 2006 at 7:31am)
Is there anybody in this village who has actually married a non-muslim who has reverted? Otherwise this debate will remain lacking somewhat...
 
Login to find out (January 19, 2006 at 7:31am)
Razneer: I was not actually addressing you only. I know you will not recommend that women boss over their men; but I am addressing a wider issue and keeping in mind the global perspectives on this. I have heard people (particularly feminists and modernists) make points showing these tendencies).

I am very much in support of liberation of women from Male chauvinists within Islam and in the general society. However, I do not fall for the traps of Shaytan (aimed at disintegrating the social & family structure) which is made alluring by Feminists and Modernists arguments.

A woman is capable of raising children the way she likes whether by hook or crook, or by gentleness or hashness or by beguiling the man or enthralling, mesmerising, cajoling, coersing, compelling, influencing... whatever. But how does the man react to this situation? How does his family influence his thinking, particularly his sisters and mother knowing what is happening in the home? When issues are not diplomatically resolved in marital environment, they are capable of tilting the balance of responsibilities and leadership .

Btw, talking on leadership, are there any situation where a woman can be the leader of a household consisting of a husband and children? Razneer, Nussie, Mchowdry, Horizon, Enigmatic, MissLondon, AbdulGee, Morals...Anyone? ); *: :* :#
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 11:10am)
Sham: hehehehehe!

I don't know about "this day and age", but we can't play with laws as we like - I wasnt implying that we can "play" with the laws. I was just stating what seems be to going on in todays society

"And such recommendations (whereby women are encouraged to boss over their husband) is likely to cause more marital breakdown". - are you saying therefore that a woman who is capable of bringing up children/family whilst being married to a non-muslim is likely to boss him! A woman does not need to boss her husband to do that whether you are married to a muslim male or non-muslim male

I was not recommending it either. I think you have misinterpreted me.
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 10:49am)
Razneer: I was actually expecting that. You Naseeb women are so intelligent that one has to be specially prepared when dealing with you. (H)

What I have explained is the general rule. There will definitely be exceptions. There will be women who are the husbands at home and many men who are the wives at home. But these are exceptional cases.

In Islam, laws and rules are made for the average and not for the exceptions.

I don't know about "this day and age", but we can't play with laws as we like. And such recommendations (whereby women are encouraged to boss over their husband) is likely to cause more marital breakdown. Even men are encouraged not to boss over their women but to involve them and respect their opinion; and consult them. :(
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 10:36am)
Nussie: No problems sister. I just felt that we need a constantly make a distinction and avoid generalisation as the VE didn't make that clarification nor did any commentor.

Further, people who convert to marry, are deceitful. Their co-operating spouses are equally guilty of
attempting to deceive Allah and the Muslims, but Allah knows their evil machination even before they planned it.
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 10:29am)
Enigmatic: Those wives of the Prophet did not hold unto their faith after marriage. They accepted Islam. Therefore, some Muslims have placed a condition that the non-Muslim women to be married must become a Muslim. This is not so. They can keep their faith while married to a Muslim Man, but it will be his responsibility to dawah her towards Islam.

What if he dies suddenly? Who will guide the children to Islam? Who will raise children to pray for him when he is gone, when nothing reaches the dead but his sadaqatu-jariya (continuous charity), his prayer from his children etc? Who will help endure that he is buried befitingly as a Muslim and his inheritance is dibursed as recommended by Allah?

This is to confirm that marrying non-Muslim is not a priviledge but an enormous task for a difficult situation.
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 10:06am)
Sham: In your last paragraph about womens vulnerabilities etc, I would like to raise the point that I have seen with my own eyes, muslim men not bringing up their children as muslims ie doing exactly what you have stated in the last paragraph.

In fact, in my opinion a muslim woman strong in her deen could be able to sustain a better marital relationship and family with a non-muslim man, than a muslim man marrying a non-muslim woman.

In this day and age I mean!
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 9:51am)
Razneer: Regarding Muslim men who date and marry non-chaste Ahlul Kitab, because they are both unchaste, then they are well deserving of each other (Qur'an 24 verse 3). ;)

Marry chaste Ahlul-Kitab is a provision for Muslim Men who travel far and wide for several reasons including for dawah, studies, work, etc. Instead of falling into the temptation of zina, the chaste ahlul-kitab was permitted to the Muslim Men as a choice in a difficult situation . Definitely, it will amount to undue generalisation to conclude that one can rarely find chaste ones amongst them. A near nun will be ideal.

However, in my experience, Muslim Men are weak. For the sake of peace, they give their wives liberty to inductrinate their children into other faiths.

The only reason women are not lawfully allowed to marry non-Muslim is because of their vulnerability and rasing children whom their husband leds to other faith. To avoid disintegration of marital relationship, Islam discouraged this union. Other reasons include a Muslim woman's inability to cope with a husband (and possibly his family and friends) who disrespects the Prophet or the Qur'an, who pressurises her into cooking haram food or providing such, preventing her from worship of Allah etc. Many women would normally give up the deen or relax to the level of non-practising (which is as good as going out of the deen -sorry if that offends anyone, but that's the truth) rathan have a marital life that is ever turbulent or continuously tensed.
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 9:38am)
RAZNEER ----

Maria al-Qibtiyya was the coptic

Safiyya bint Huyay: jewess of the tribe of Bani Nadir
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 7:35am)
Mchowdry: Thanks for the compliment. We are all striving and there is no difference between us Muslims except on the basis of Piety (Qur'an 49 verse 13), thus a Mu'min is better than a Muslim. And guess what? Only Allah knows who a Mu'min is. If someone decribes himself as one, then he is obviously not one.

May Allah bless our efforts and keep us on the track of success in this world and in the Hereafter.
 
Login to find out (January 18, 2006 at 3:33am)
Enig: Jewess and the Coptic (christian) women who were married to the Prophet?

I assume you are talking about the Prophet Moses (as) and Isa (as)??? If you are, they they were ppl of the book because their beliefs would have been the same as preached by Isa (as) and Moses (as).
 
Login to find out (January 17, 2006 at 4:13pm)
Enigmatic - good point....very good point about marrying a non muslim rather then marrying out of boredom....i think if u do come across someone u can connect with and they are not muslim and u are not a practising muslim then surely thats better then singledom??? the point im making is if u dont practise anyway then why hold on to the muslim label...i know this is gonna get the extremist out in all of u....but look at my comment in context and dont get on the moralistic high horse...i read enough of them posts, i come on london crew for some moderate thinking.

DISCLAIMER : THIS OPINION DOES NOT RELATE TO ME SOLEY, IT RELATES TO AN OBJECTIVE SITUATION
 
Login to find out (January 17, 2006 at 3:03pm)
Salam Alaykum,

The VE has obviolsly raised a very important aspect of our deen.

Allah (SWT) says:
"Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise." (Q2:221)