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Shams First Meeting with Rumi


Legend has it that when Shams saw Rumi the first time he seized the bridle of his mount and asked, "Who is greater Muhammad or Bestami?"

Rumi gave the approved answer, "Muhammad."

"But Bestami said, I am the Glory! Muhammad said, I cannot praise you enough!" said Shams

Rumi tumbled to the ground from his saddle unconscious ... when he revived, lying on the ground he answered, "Bestami took one swallow of knowledge and thought that was all, but for Muhammad the Majesty was continually unfolding."

the above is noted by Coleman Barks - any other versions of their first meeting .... please share thanks

peace out!
 

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Login to find out (October 26, 2005 at 4:30am)
Salaam Brothers. Whatever the actual case may be, all accounts carry the same message: disregard the outward appearance, the truth is altogether different that what we perceived. Adonai. (Love and Light.)
 
Login to find out (October 21, 2005 at 12:02am)
Yes Yaaryo i have heard that one also - where did you hear / read that do you remember - yes i remember this meeting ... thanks Snapper-ji - wishing you peace joy and light ...
 
Login to find out (October 20, 2005 at 9:37pm)
I think there is the other one also where Shams finds Mevlana surrounded by his books, and asks him, what is this? To which Mevlana replies its that which you know not. Shams threw all the books in a pool of water, or a fire caught all the books immediately, to which Mevlana surprisingly asked, what is this, and this time Shams replied: That which you know not.
 
Login to find out (October 20, 2005 at 1:22am)
Superman - thanks for your comments and confirmation about their first meeting...

the point of Shams Tabriz being from Alamut however is is a confusion even within Ismaili circles there is another personality a Pir Shams of the Khoja Ismaili's who are connected to Alamut is often confused with Shams Tabriz - see: "The Isma'ilis : Their History and Doctrines" (Daftary 1990) - look up in the index Pir Shams and Shams Tabriz

the legend of the assassins originally penned after marco-polo visited the area has been contested recently as mostly a fabrication with limited certainty : see: www.disinfo.com

also:: www.alamut.com

peace out brother!
 
Login to find out (October 19, 2005 at 4:03pm)
This is more or less accurate. Though I'm not sure he said this while lying on the ground. But that is irrelevant. This was one amazing meeting where souls recognized each other at first sight. Rumi took him to his place and they were in ecstatic medidation for 40 days, not even requiring any food or water. Rumi's sudden inward turn caused tremendous resentment among his companions.

Also, do you know that Shams was from the order of sufi's who ran Alamut, the dreaded fortress of the Hashisheen? (That's where the word assassin comes from in english as well.) And his sufi master was a teacher from Hind (sindh, to be specific, called Ali,) who many have claimed to be hindu? There were significant reasons Shams was shunned by the community - the majority - the collective. Yet history is the better judge, is it not?