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Spiritual Materialism


Chogyam Trungpa and Jiddu Krishnamurti are two philosophers that have touched on a concept called "Spiritual Materialism".

In Krishnamurti's book "On Conflict", without mentioning Islam, there is a discussion on how many faiths can incentivise people to "do good" through promising rewards such that an environment is created where adherents have horseblinders on and become "greedy" for such points, losing the loftier goal of good for the sake of goodness, and not reward.

A good example would be, say, knocking someone over during Hajj b/c your own circuit needed to be completed before prayer time.

I see Islam filled with point-multipliers (e.g. 27 times more sawab for congregational prayers over individual prayers etc.).

What do you think of spiritual materialism?

Do you think we have a bit too much of it within Islam?

Is it just a phase through which the spiritual journey starts?

If so, has the bulk of the Ummah shown any signs of progressing through it, from spiritual caterpillars to spiritual butterflies?
 

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Login to find out (September 23, 2005 at 11:49am)
Just to play devil's advocate about Laylatul Quader - don't get me wrong, I do have a spiritual side and believe in the inexplicable.... but I wonder if Laylatul Quadr is the effect of what happens after waking up at three in the morn, day after day, being deprived of sustainence until sunset, only to stay awake and continue praying, attempting to get some rest, (and if you're in the West - keeping up with the hectic pace of life at the same time- while tirelessly explaining to friends and coworkers your temporary hiatus from lunch).... Wouldn't it be hard not to have psuedo-hallucinations? I mean, I see spots when I don't eat... I hear things that don't exist, my mind is trying to keep up with life while trying to reflect on spirituality....

Fasting and starvation is how Buddha neared nirvanna - that is a pervasive thought in most religions... give up what you cannot do without and you will be provided for and enjoy in a happiness that is not temporary....
 
Login to find out (September 22, 2005 at 10:16pm)
Cosmic - well said. I've had a fleeting moment of a nice feeling but at the same time, I really have no fondness for point multipliers. I tend to believe that niyat wherever, whenever and whoever, is where it is all at.
 
Login to find out (September 22, 2005 at 10:47am)
IdStar - Its really moving to see that you have experienced a divine moment in your life. Just remember that lylla tul qadr is when your prayers are heard and in my humble opinion has not much to do with your experience described below. However, in order for you to go through the sign of lylla tul qadr, you have to be of an elevated plane spiritually and that's the reason Allah granted you such a status. btw, my brother's life has totally been changed after the experienced the night of lylla tul qadr and it was on 25th night of ramadan
 
Login to find out (September 22, 2005 at 10:30am)
I think I have experienced Laylatul Qadar too. We (Me and friends) used to tell our parents that we are going to mosque but instead used to go to park and play games in these nights of Ramazan. Once I was sitting on the bench and had a very strange feeling. My heart filled with emotions and tears started coming out of my eyes. I believe I saw the sky turned lighter all of a sudden but just for a split second. It was longer than flash of light but surely very quick. I cant remember if it was the 27th of Ramazan but it was one of the odd nights. I still cant forget that feeling after so many years.
 
Login to find out (September 22, 2005 at 12:53am)
Cosmic - to your question about sensing laylatul qadar...I felt I sensed it one year, when I was in my late teens. I would switch to listening to recitation in Arabic on my walkman heading to school instead of the usual (New Kids on the Block at that time!)

One morning, the talawat sounded especially sweet, almost like the tape distorted, and I had this really warm, peaceful feeling. It was the 27th night that night, and I stayed up. I told my family and we put a little more emphasis on that night.

Several years later, I'd have similar experiences / premonitions. One year, a friend and I were driving back to Toronto from a weekend in Ottawa, late at night. We saw a driver whiz by us making crazy weaving motions to get ahead. I remarked to my friend, "That guys a lunatic. We'll probably see him in an accident in an hour."

My friend noted the time. Later that night, we slowed down as there were flashing lights. The cops were letting cars through one by one. We rolled down our window and talked to the cop. The car in the ditch was the one we saw earlier that night weaving around crazily. My friend noticed the clock on the dashboard. It was exactly one hour from when we first noticed the car earlier in our trip.

I've continued to have lots of these experiences in my 20's. Hence, I look back on the feeling I had about laylatul qadar when I was younger, and put even more credence into that feeling. Of course, that night has long passed! Guess I'll just have to do a good job praying all nights like everyone else.

I think it's more fair that way anyways.
 
Login to find out (September 6, 2005 at 11:00pm)
Laylatul Quadr - in my opinion- really exists for people who are able to embrace every aspect of Islam in life.... I'm not talking about saying 5 prayers and giving Zakat, but for the person whose prayers would be accepted - I think (not sure though, only God knows) that people who are just plain genuine & naturally giving are the ones whose prayers are accepted... One has to seriously surrender everything to the hands of God... I don't mean that a person should abandon the real world, but put God first in everyfacet of life - have God be the driving force of all decisions... That kind of surrender is extremely difficult for a majority of this earth's population...
 
Login to find out (September 2, 2005 at 6:49pm)
I think God can use both a point system or even a whim.

Just because God writes out the laws for us to obey does not imply any rule of law He or She must abide by.

God is not like a judge who ought to follow the laws she may use against the public.
 
Login to find out (September 2, 2005 at 12:02am)
Perhaps the multipliers are a reminder that Allah (SWT) enjoined upon himself a single rule when he created the universes---that his mercy would supercede his wrath. Human beings on the other hand appear to obsess over the idea that any bad thing they do will ultimately doom them. Instead, in his mercy, Allah (SWT) indicates that every good deed carries enormous weight. Even that may not be sufficient for some and Allah's (SWT) complete beneficence is again illustrated by his promise to admit into paradise even a person with only a mustard seed's worth of goodness in them. The concept of spiritual materialism illuminates the propensity for some to corrupt their progress along the path of God by reducing their faith to a numbers game without examining the broader implications of these exemplars of God's mercy.
 
Login to find out (September 1, 2005 at 10:50pm)
God doesn't allow for point multipliers though..... If you recall the story of the prostitute who went to heaven simply because she gave a thirsty animal some water...

In order for religion to survive on a massive scale, it has to be quantifiable as to how to earn extra credit for the after life.... by doing this, it keeps imams in buisness - since they are supported by the community....

The concept of keeping score is not just limited to Islam, it happens in all religions....

But yes, I do agree and am quite disappointed that it is turning more into a game as opposed to an intrinsically rewarding act of faith....
 
Login to find out (September 1, 2005 at 3:58pm)
peace
i think its a difficult concept to strike out especially since the quran is replete with the terms 'earning' in the physical world (occurring around 67 times) and 'rewards' (occurring about 187 time) in the future - as long as people take the quran literally we will always run into issues with whores vs raisins and it being a misogynistically centered quran - for me i take the quran to be a sacred text but i also temper that with the idea that it was a politically motivated compilation after the death of in whom it was inspired and always wondered why he did not take on the task of compiling it all together while he was alive - didnt he think it would be a problem after he was gone - of course the shia's say that Ali did compile presumably with the prophets blessings - what ever happened to that compilation i wonder ...
 
Login to find out (September 1, 2005 at 2:44pm)
why does 27 points have to equate to how many hoors one will get in Paradise... blessings can manifest themselves in many ways... intensifying the bond between two, satisfaction and contentment in the heart, and so on and so forth
 
Login to find out (September 1, 2005 at 11:05am)
LOL at IdStar...
 
Login to find out (August 31, 2005 at 11:44pm)
I would think a Just God would value the niyat plain and simple and not the point multiplier bonus round of say, guessing the right night for Lailat-ul-Qadar.

But if that's true, why would Allah allow for such point multipliers?
 
Login to find out (August 31, 2005 at 11:36pm)
CL: That's true, but don't you notice a difference in how people pursue this, and how some seem so oblivious of fellow human beings or 'higher order' goodness?

If it is going to be a "game" in the end, should it not be a refined one with nobility?
 
Login to find out (August 31, 2005 at 9:28pm)
Khiladi - would have been nice if it was a fruit or vegetable :)
 
Login to find out (August 31, 2005 at 8:41pm)
the raisin idea is a baseless idea, full of resounding linguistical issues..
 
Login to find out (August 31, 2005 at 10:07am)
Ertw... that quote you gave regarding hajj.. thank you like a million times.. amazing
 
Login to find out (August 30, 2005 at 11:11pm)
- It's 72 virgins for men and for women they are enabled to have their husbands love them even more. Obviously, there is trouble in Paradise.

- Shazia Mirza www.shaziamirza.org the famous comedian suggested it was an expensive price for a male suicide bomber to pay for a 'shag', however, she questioned as to what the female suicide bomber will get?




A DAY OFF!


(Now I remember spiritual materialism was the phrase I used in my 8th JE knowing someone had coined it but not who.)
 
Login to find out (August 30, 2005 at 10:31pm)
Ertw - nice quote about the person who's hajj was accepted. I like that.

I also am uneasy about the focus on female beauty and enticements of such. The pure / virgin connotation is also troubling. It can have negative connotations for divorced women and desirability for marriage to them b/c of this emphasis on virginity.
 
Login to find out (August 30, 2005 at 9:51pm)
Styx: Some of the earlier verses regarding the heavenly companions are gender neutral. But yes in the later verses the descriptions tend toward female beauty more.

I've wondered the same about why the need to entice men in paradise in this manner...

Besides I think any married woman should be offended by such an enticement as it implies one can only enjoy such pleasures with a virgin!