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just something to think about, but why do you have this compulsion to attack shiaism all the time? i come across your type all the time, you are by no means alone. i noticed one thing you all have in common is a refusal to accept logical debate, you stick blindly by the dogma that you are fed, and refuse to actually do PROPER research (i.e looking at sources from both sides). why do you harbour such insecurities that you feel you have to bring everything down to your level? i mean it's really baffling that anyone who was really on the true path would be so consumed with petty infighting.
wouldn't your time be better spent learning about islam, rather than learning how to fight other sects?
like i said what i say to you may sound harsh, but it is something that needs to be said. it is nothing in coparison to the hate you spread about us, and i don't know how you can expect to be addressed with respect when you act like that.
having said that i should also stick by what i say, so if you actually want to learn or discuss issues of shias and sunnis, then im sure many people here, including myself, would be more than happy to angage and learn. however if you continue to spread hate you can't expect anything fruitful to come from it. anyways i don't want to get drawn into this petty game, so i will refrain from replying anymore unless you want to engage in fruitful discussion,
firstly, i know you are sunni, thats my point, maybe it was too complex.
secondly look at your own posts and language first thank you, you are a shining example of akhlaq for us all to follow aren't you?
thirdly, i quote you "Where the deification of the Prophet (SAW), his family (RA), Hazrat Ali (RA) and any other foul shirk or innovation only leads to the hell fire"
who were you implying deify's these people? if youwere referring to the shia of course you are ignorant. i have read many of your posts before, and you make so many false accusations about the shia without bothering to check the sourcesof information. so indeed you are beyond ignorant and misguided. a person with a shred of decency and intellect would actually at least check before making accusations, and try to make ones that are true. either you do it intentionally or you are a blind follower who accepts whatever your corrupted sheikhs fabricate for you. i dunno which is worse.
thirdly, you obviousely do lack intellect if you cannot realise some things may be metaphors. whether you like it or not, by you do attrbute physical characteristics to Allah (SWT).
i admit i have very little knowledge, and a lot to learn, thats why i do not speak without checking my sources first. you should do the same.
if you have any shame you would apologise for the accusations you have made many times against shias, without providing a shred of proof from our sources that we actually do these things.
but it seems reasonably apparent that you don't have much shame by the way you talk, and the posts you leave, but surprise me by all means.
yes it is very clear indeed what the correct path is, the TRUE scholars have identified authentic hadith for us, unfortunately the majority seem to be misguided, and we won't go into where this misguidance began!
those who fabricate and rely on fabrication are bound to be misguided. by the way that goes for your arguments too, who deifies the prophet or his family? it certainly isn't the shia ithnasheri. sister, i don't mean to be harsh, but you are only making yourself look ingnorant when you try and talk about things which you have no knowledge on. if you want to make an accusation against any groups belief at least make sure you know what their belief is.
if you want to talk about shirk, do YOU not attribute physical limitations to Allah (SWT)? i have read in your books that you believe Allah (SWT) has physical characteristics, and is not even on here but resides in another plane.
shia is actually the correct path, according to the quran and sunnah of the prophet. we should all brush up on our arabic so we can see the original sources and avoid being misguided.
i was sunni and finally after lot of research i accepted shiism , the true guided sect, followers of prophet(saa) and his ahlulbait, proud to be shia alhamdolillah, then i was guided www.al-islam.org
Shia is actually not the correct Islam, Sunni is,,,,,, but within the 72 sect only one will be granted heaven,,,,
i suggest one should learn arabic and learn the koran and understanding, i have nowadays decided to brush up on my arabic and learn the quran and study all sect and all books from Allah to compare,,,,,,, its the only way i'll know the truth!!!
I don't agree with Shia and like the Ahmadi has nearly come to an end so will the others!!!
im waiting SS, you have told me you are going to give me some amzing argument that will forever shut the shias up, but you been saying this for as long as i can remember coming across you. if you have something REAL bring it to the table.
its inteersting you try and deflect your tactics onto other people, if you remeber i used to comment on your jopurnals but YOU kept deacyivating or deleting. and yuo couldn't anser even one of the points raised, you just kept bringin totally irrelevant fabrications about subjects that werent being debated.
i said it before and i'll say it again, it is well know that people like you who talk big and claim to be really knowledgeable are in fact the opposite, real scholars are humble for they understand that what knowledge they have is bu t a drop in the ocean. besides that even the most ignorant people know what islam says about humbless, so in conclusion you must be even more ignoratn because you obviousley dont know.
i want to say for now, quickly, to brother jee-saviola: bro, u r still being educated on the shia, so some of the stuff u say aren't said accurately! that's what i think. relax, i can take on all of these mut'ahtives by myself, but its only me verses a handful whom i have to call on several times to respond to just ONE point i arouse.
asif ali, dont think u know any better! i can shut u up easily, just let me rest from work and studies. u dont respond for the longest time cuz u dont know what to say until u come to me with negations of ur own books! u think i dont know about alkafi being mostly da'eef? but i'll quote u ur own major scholars' opinions of al-kafi, then come and claim to know better than them!
SS- we've seen your proofs, a lot of them are fabricated, others are totally illogical, others we don't deny. no one denies that the imams have a divine right for example.
you like to quote extensivly from shia books tht don't exist, try bringing some proofs from REAL books instead of making things up. you like to quote from al-kafi, but you don't realise you are shooting yourslef in the foot because the shia don't consider it sahih. go read some shia academic journals, scholars consider more than 50% of the hadith to be daeef.
you don't even realise you lost this battle a long time ago, thats why noone replies to you.
just because you haven't met them doesn't mean they not there, i mean we don't have shia written or our foreheads, so how do you know if we are there. for example many of the key positions in mcb and ihrc are held by shias.
jee_saviola- they do the same as the sunnis do. in fact a larger proportion of shias turn up to rallies and demonstrations than sunnis, because a lot of sunni scholars tell their congregations NOT to go!
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wouldn't your time be better spent learning about islam, rather than learning how to fight other sects?
like i said what i say to you may sound harsh, but it is something that needs to be said. it is nothing in coparison to the hate you spread about us, and i don't know how you can expect to be addressed with respect when you act like that.
having said that i should also stick by what i say, so if you actually want to learn or discuss issues of shias and sunnis, then im sure many people here, including myself, would be more than happy to angage and learn. however if you continue to spread hate you can't expect anything fruitful to come from it. anyways i don't want to get drawn into this petty game, so i will refrain from replying anymore unless you want to engage in fruitful discussion,
secondly look at your own posts and language first thank you, you are a shining example of akhlaq for us all to follow aren't you?
thirdly, i quote you "Where the deification of the Prophet (SAW), his family (RA), Hazrat Ali (RA) and any other foul shirk or innovation only leads to the hell fire"
who were you implying deify's these people? if youwere referring to the shia of course you are ignorant. i have read many of your posts before, and you make so many false accusations about the shia without bothering to check the sourcesof information. so indeed you are beyond ignorant and misguided. a person with a shred of decency and intellect would actually at least check before making accusations, and try to make ones that are true. either you do it intentionally or you are a blind follower who accepts whatever your corrupted sheikhs fabricate for you. i dunno which is worse.
thirdly, you obviousely do lack intellect if you cannot realise some things may be metaphors. whether you like it or not, by you do attrbute physical characteristics to Allah (SWT).
i admit i have very little knowledge, and a lot to learn, thats why i do not speak without checking my sources first. you should do the same.
if you have any shame you would apologise for the accusations you have made many times against shias, without providing a shred of proof from our sources that we actually do these things.
but it seems reasonably apparent that you don't have much shame by the way you talk, and the posts you leave, but surprise me by all means.
dushmanane ahlebait par laanat beshumaar
those who fabricate and rely on fabrication are bound to be misguided. by the way that goes for your arguments too, who deifies the prophet or his family? it certainly isn't the shia ithnasheri. sister, i don't mean to be harsh, but you are only making yourself look ingnorant when you try and talk about things which you have no knowledge on. if you want to make an accusation against any groups belief at least make sure you know what their belief is.
if you want to talk about shirk, do YOU not attribute physical limitations to Allah (SWT)? i have read in your books that you believe Allah (SWT) has physical characteristics, and is not even on here but resides in another plane.
www.al-islam.org
i suggest one should learn arabic and learn the koran and understanding, i have nowadays decided to brush up on my arabic and learn the quran and study all sect and all books from Allah to compare,,,,,,, its the only way i'll know the truth!!!
I don't agree with Shia and like the Ahmadi has nearly come to an end so will the others!!!
its inteersting you try and deflect your tactics onto other people, if you remeber i used to comment on your jopurnals but YOU kept deacyivating or deleting. and yuo couldn't anser even one of the points raised, you just kept bringin totally irrelevant fabrications about subjects that werent being debated.
i said it before and i'll say it again, it is well know that people like you who talk big and claim to be really knowledgeable are in fact the opposite, real scholars are humble for they understand that what knowledge they have is bu t a drop in the ocean. besides that even the most ignorant people know what islam says about humbless, so in conclusion you must be even more ignoratn because you obviousley dont know.
adios amigo.
asif ali, dont think u know any better! i can shut u up easily, just let me rest from work and studies. u dont respond for the longest time cuz u dont know what to say until u come to me with negations of ur own books! u think i dont know about alkafi being mostly da'eef? but i'll quote u ur own major scholars' opinions of al-kafi, then come and claim to know better than them!
you like to quote extensivly from shia books tht don't exist, try bringing some proofs from REAL books instead of making things up. you like to quote from al-kafi, but you don't realise you are shooting yourslef in the foot because the shia don't consider it sahih. go read some shia academic journals, scholars consider more than 50% of the hadith to be daeef.
you don't even realise you lost this battle a long time ago, thats why noone replies to you.
asalways proud to be shia alhamdolillah