Man, if the Knicks could swing a deal for KG... that would be amazing. But unforetunately thats most likely isn't going to happen unless KG comes out and demands a trade and McHale complies.

Right now though, the Knicks are horrible. They don't have Larry Brown type players and perhaps the three best players on their team are Frye, Robinson, and that white boy. They overpaid for average/above average players such as Crawford, James, Curry, Q, the list goes on and on. Isiah Thomas doesn't know what he's doing, the knicks have to get rid of those type of players who clearly don't fit into Larry Brown's system.

the only bright side for the Knick fans this year are the rookies and Larry Brown.

Salaam,
Mr. Hussain - my bad for taking it personal - won't happen again.

Wanaperfectsoul - those early to mid 90's team were some of my most favorite of all time. Those playoff games against the Bulls and Pacers were some of the most entertaining I can remember. I think LB can mold this team into something similar, but honestly none of the current players have the combination of heart and skill that the old school Knicks players had.

Desiknight - I read that rumor as well. It's possible that it may happen - here's to hoping. If KG really does want out of Minny and McHale grants his wish (which I would find shocking), it really depends on if McHale wants to get some talent and younger or wants to clear cap space. I don't think the Knicks can compete with some of the other packages I heard about in terms of talent, but they'd be hard to beat in terms of giving Minny cap space.

Salaam playaz!

Lived in NY since '84, and I am a moderate Knick fan, except for that early to mid 90s team. I loved it when MJ toasted the Knicks every year. Remember when The Bulls were down 0-2? Everyone in my Junior High was talking their trash about a sweep? Yep, his Ariness just kicked into high gear and dismantled the Knicks. Wow, enough with my memories.

As for today, yes, people should give the Knicks time before judging. The Knicks have improved with size and defense, but the void of Allan Houston is felt. I enjoyed watching my boy Houston tear up Kobe back in '03. Remember that? Houston dropped 50+ on a helpless Kobe. As for Marbury, he has to adjust to Larry's style or his already negative reputation will worsen; what a shame!

Salam,

Rudy

Salaam Walaikum. All I gotta say is jigga, please. This forum is about basketball, so let's stick to that. Baseball is too boring for me to watch and if I were to choose a favorite baseball team it'd be the Mets anyway considering I live in Flushing. I don't like the Yankees for the same reason I didn't like the Jordan Bulls, Kobe/Shaq Lakers - too much bandwagon jumping for my taste. And recognize that I've been a Knicks fan since the 6th grade when they played an ugly, but gritty defensive style of play. Besides, if your logic about Yankee fans were correct, wouldn't they be talking about the NY Giants and Eli Manning rather than the NY Knicks?

And realize the only reason I even created this thread is 'cause I got tired of reading the unwarranted attacks on the Knicks on some of the other threads in this forum. I mean I know the Knicks have sucked, but I do believe they will get better. I liken the attacks to kickin' a man when he is down - and that's just a damn shame. Seriously, what kind of fan would I be if I didn't even try to defend them?

A lot of NYers like Marbury cuz they remember him playing as a youngster in NY during his high school days. I know it's totally irrational, but for some reason Knicks fans including myself like having fellow born and bred NYers on their Knicks teams.

Do you even realize who Isaiah Thomas replaced? He replaced a Scott Layden who's last NY Knicks starting lineup included vastly overpaid players such as Howard Eisley and Shandon Andersen (whom by the way we are still paying even as he was cut). All Scott Layden seemed to do is take players from Utah, overpay them and then stick em on the Knicks. While I don't like most of Isaiah's moves either (like Jerome James to $30mil, or even the gamble on Curry), he is at least trying and it's still much better than what it was. (Detroit, you guys don't realize how good you have it with Joe Dumars - a good GM is so hard to find and that guy is the real deal!) But the only reason I have any optimism at all is in the fact that Larry Brown is our coach.

I loved Allan Houston for what he did for the Knicks when he was healthy. I can't fault him for getting injured and trying to come back.

Stockpicker - you have a point about LB leaving. My hope, and that's all I can really do, is that LB has that nostalgia for being back in NY from where he is originally from and sticks it out. I think he's getting too old to have many years left to coach anyway. Also, I can't fault you for not liking LB. I still can't stand Pat Riley for leaving the Knicks for the Heat back so many years ago. And until the Knicks can become contenders, I hope Detroit wins the finals. IMO, that team is a thing of beauty in terms of unselfishness, hard work, and good work ethic. The Knicks, though they never won in my lifetime, used to be like that and here's to hoping that's what they will return to.

Mr. Hussain - if I distanced myself from a Knicks teams that was down and instead only rooted for them when they were good - there wouldn't be much to separate me from a bandwagon jumper - would there? So I think I'll continue to support them, thanks for the advice anyway.

While I appreciate the fact that some of you may disagree with what I write, please do not write that it is a "load of cr*p" or that it is the "most ignorant thing you have ever read in your life". I feel like some of you are getting personal and I don't want to harbor ill feelings towards fellow muslims.

And I will be making Hajj in January, Insha' Allah - so while I highly doubt I will make dua for the Knicks to become better, I will, Insha 'Allah make dua for all of you and all our muslim brothers and sisters (especially the ones that are suffering).

Salaam and good night!

Load of cr*p? The only load of cr*p is your obvious bias against LB that's affecting any semblance of reasoning that you may or may not have. Why does a Piston fans of all people dislike Larry Brown! Coaches all over the NBA get used and abused and it ain't any different in Detroit. Larry Brown helped Detroit win the NBA Finals and reach it for the past two years. Be HAPPY not MAD. Yeah - LB left the Pistons for his "dream job" with the Knicks. Do Pistons fans forget that Detroit unceremoniously fired an excellent and winning coach by the name of Rick Carlisle a short 3 to 4 years ago? And who, pry tell, did the Pistons hire in his stead? Yup, that's right - good old LB. The NBA is a business - cash is king - people go where the money is - GET OVER IT! And LB coaches different teams because he is in high demand and because he can as is already well known by NBA fans.

Flip is notorious for being a stinker in the post-season, while being phenomenal in the regular season. More than 10 games into the season is needed to convince anyone that the Pistons are better off now than last year.

Also, I didn't mean to take anything away from Chauncey Billups with my comparison to Marbury. Chauncey Billups is definitely the better player (he's proved it) and he may be the better player at the end of his career, but Marbury IS more talented. Marbury's skills are ridiculous and he is the type of player who has the ability to take over games. But like I said before, the Knicks WILL get better with or without Marbury. If you let go of your bias, you may realize LB is an excellent coach and will make the Knicks better.