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'Walking Marriages'


Finally a topic that epitomizes the name of this village!
www.clamormagazine.org

Just fascinating!

Can you picture yourself participating in such an arrangement?

Is it right or wrong?
 

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Login to find out (November 22, 2005 at 11:56pm)
what are some good books to read up on the Mosuo society?
 
Login to find out (November 21, 2005 at 12:32pm)
I think a matriarchy orthodoxy is just plain closer to resembling a truly equal society than the patriarchy status quo. In fact, I will even venture to say the answer in developing a truly equal society lies somewhere along the paths of matriarchy orthodoxy itself. I think we should run with it.

Just because the Mosuo women have more control over their selection of mates does not mean the same thing as men having the same control.

Therefore, when reading about the Mosuo culture you have to wonder what a miracle it is that so many couples decided to go against patriarchy and become more equal in terms of sharing power to form a different society.

I think the Mosuo are a sign from God.
 
Login to find out (November 18, 2005 at 11:36am)
Equity, probably....EQUALITY no.
 
Login to find out (November 18, 2005 at 12:58am)
There never was equality in any historical society as I can remember.

Any good examples Shazia04?
 
Login to find out (November 18, 2005 at 12:52am)
Could I live like a Mosuo? Probably not.

Pro's

women taking the lead
women doing all the housework while I smoke my pipe in old age

Con's

Sooner or later I'm gonna burst out yelling at my sister, "Whose retarded kids are these!"
- serious child bonding issues

However, I still like that line, "Hey, handsome boy?Come on over, I just killed a goat."
 
Login to find out (November 17, 2005 at 4:57pm)
From my limited knowledge about this community, there is no marriage, just a large family system where children live with mothers and grand mothers.... the children have the fathers in their lives, the fathers financially support the children (emotionally as well)... I'm not sure to what extent the fathers play in the lives of their child, but the child grows up in a multi-generation household with some independence as well...(oxymoronic, of course it is!) the women in the family are given each a separate "living quarter" on the property of the matriarch... the men live with their mothers, as do the women...

that is about the extent of my knowledge as it pertains to this society....
 
Login to find out (November 17, 2005 at 4:49pm)
Well, what is deemed as right by the rest of the world is a patriarchal society... seeing that there are few matriarchal societies in the world, it would be more of a challenge to compare since anyone else doing research about them will already come into this with a subconscious, preconcieved notion as a matriarchal society where the women are in control of choosing (not just one, but many) lovers as strange or even wrong.... If you are going to judge it as a society, look at its function... where is the place of the woman, what kinds of influences does she have in child rearing. Where is the place of the man and his influence in child rearing... what would be considered as deviant behavior....... I think a sociological/anthropological work would be slightly more valid since it attempts not to put such skewed deductions like this article did....

I hardly think that judging an entire group of people based on 1 link to an article is sufficient...

That kind of generalization has never played out well with any group of people - the Muslim community should know that, since we have be targeted as deviants ourselves in the eyes of the media...
 
Login to find out (November 17, 2005 at 2:00am)
Is there something we can learn from the Mosuo culture that can help moderate the global condition of women?

Are they fairing any better than us?

What inequalities exist in the Mosuo culture and is it a significant issue?
 
Login to find out (November 16, 2005 at 2:44pm)
PezD: I know I'm looking at it through my bias and good point about the acceptable vs the unacceptable. But this is anti/polar opposite of the current situation, and not equality.

Is equality impossible to achieve then? Because nature somehow always dictates that we have a sex-based hiearchy?

Is this what women really want?

I understand completely that for women to behave in this way without being called names or being shunned or worse is unusual. But I'm just not sure that having a matriarchal orthodoxy makes it right - just different
 
Login to find out (November 16, 2005 at 2:40pm)
In line with StongBeliever's comments, define the terms of the debate and then we can address the issues it raises.
 
Login to find out (November 16, 2005 at 11:59am)
Excerpt from my Newsnight Mailing list:
"Cousin marriage can cause genetic problems - that's always been a recognised possibility but tonight on Newsnight the Labour MP Ann Cryer calls for an end to the practice of cousin marriage after an investigation by this programme reports that British Pakistanis are 13 times more likely to have children with recessive disorders than the general population.

It's estimated that at least 55% of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins, a tradition also common in other South Asian and Middle Eastern countries."

Watch newsnight between Wed 16th 10.40pm (GMT) - Thurs 10.40pm (GMT) on the web at news.bbc.co.uk
 
Login to find out (November 15, 2005 at 11:40pm)
are we trying to debate if this system can sustain itself without any problems or whether its ethically ok.. oh well.. everyone is free to follow whatever he/she wants and that's the freedom of choice. Choose whatever suits you, but you were forwarned !

I don't care if the system was driven by lust or choosing of best men by women to mate (doesn't it happen anyways in patriarchial soceity too ?) or even giving it a name of fairness for women.. give me a break.
 
Login to find out (November 15, 2005 at 10:43am)
my problem with it isn't internal to the group, but the outsiders... that these ppl, their village and their way of life becomes a zoo where outsiders can look at them and point and horny men can come and make comments to young women in the hopes of having an "easy" on night stand.

In Kerela there was a "village" (for lack of another word) that was largely matriarchal and survived just fine for centuries because they had a wall around their community. Their culture and ways were intact and they were no threat to anyone or in any way harming themselves. however, in 1996 (I think - or close to that) they were forced to take down their walls and assimilate. the entire group was essentially "lost" as it mixed in with the rest of "society". Same thing with other places... in Brazil... etc. Oftentimes the influence from "developed" countries is good... but oftentimes bad. To take this village and turn them into a cultural exhibit is to dehumanize and insult an entire people and their way of life... and most basic among human rights is respect!!!!!!!
 
Login to find out (November 15, 2005 at 5:59am)
I don't think the Mosuo men get a chance to play round-abouts partners unless invited by the women. The Mosuo women are the gatekeepers on who can play roundabouts.

I sense this is true from the authors' comments on how beautiful the Mosuo people are. It may mean that the Mosuo women are picking the hot Mosuo men only and / or their sex lives are robust and healthier because of it?

(there just could be an undercurrent of polygyny and polyandry mutualism)

If the above scenario is true (gatekeepers), then has not the power game been truly reversed from the global norm?

Of course, the power stemming from having the right to make a proposition first is not the comprehensive definition of female emancipation, however, I think it makes for a fantastic bargaining leverage.
 
Login to find out (November 15, 2005 at 5:53am)
Shazia, you are looking at it through your own bias...
That is something difficult to abandon, but when it is percieved as an acceptable norm
(as opposed to female genital mutilation in some parts of Africa as a rite of passage - which would be unacceptable), being able to see things from their perspective - or attempt to, becomes easier....

The interesting thing about this society is that neither the female, nor the male gets shunned from society when taking on multiple partners. It is a matriarch, giving all the power of finance and living conditions to the women.... men live with their mothers here and that is also acceptable - the income they provide is given to the decision maker - the mother.....

All siblings (yes even half bros and sis) live under the same roof.... the father is expected to financially support them and interact with them on a regular basis...

more to come later

My q - I wonder if this society experiences the same genetic disorders as found in the Ashkinazi Jewish population... due to isolated mating partners....
 
Login to find out (November 15, 2005 at 12:46am)
b4stard kids outnumber nonb4stardkids. yep.
 
Login to find out (November 14, 2005 at 2:13pm)
Only comparing two marriage systems here and using value laden terms of civil only to that extent.

I think what we have here is two different interpretations based on gender?
 
Login to find out (November 14, 2005 at 9:55am)
And things such as domestic assault are not necessarily related to female emancipation. I don't understand why you are linking the two together so please spell it out.

I wonder how the children of such unions feel? About sharing their parents with who knows how many other kids. I know that I am looking at this with my own bias for what 'normal' is. But I can't help thinking that as well as giving the women the choice, men also get to play round-about partners too - and I don't think men since time imemorial have ever been averse to that.

The same situation exists in the societies we live in if we think about it. For example, say if a woman was to go up to 50 guys and ask if they wanted sex, I would say that a significant proportion of the men would say 'yes'. Whereas if a man was to go up to 50 women and ask if they wanted sex, I would say that a significant proportion would say 'no'.

So I really do fail to see the excitement that this article has caused.
 
Login to find out (November 14, 2005 at 9:49am)
Baba in what way are they more civilised than the industrialised West? I'm certainly not saying that the West is the epitome of civilisation. But to hold this up as proof of a progressive society on the other hand doesn't sit that well with me either.

What I am asking is whether emancipation for women boils down to them being able to have sex whenever and with whomever they want.

And I would like to think, as a woman, that there is more to freedom for women than just this - because this in its own way reinforces that women are just sexual beings. And I v strongly dispute that - we have so much more about us
 
Login to find out (November 14, 2005 at 1:24am)
Shazia04: I think they are quite more civilized than the industrialized West.

Just think what the divorce rates would be? 100%? Every 'marriage' is essentially a divorce in that the biological father does not live with the mother.

Domestic assault?