i have to go now, but let me leave u, 'sweatshirt', with a quick comment:

my journals are made private because they are empty (their bodies contain nothing) and i use their titles only (which are 'public') to leave messages there. i also do that because i'm not interested in comments on my journals, which are hardly more than 'thank u, wow, interesting', and when i do that i'm thinking of cutting down on 'naseebing', lessening the addiction of having to log in to this website very often to see who 'commented' and who didn't. but after the villages were created that became useless, but there remains another reason why i 'd keep my journals' comment section also private (if the journal is left 'open'), and this reason i choose not to disclose.

lastly, y do u care for my profile if u urself have me blocked from viewing urs? i'll tell u why: i want u to read me, because i have 'substance' always, while u don't. cool. leave me blocked. i'm sure i ain't missing on anything 'worth reading' there. its enough to view the shia village to find always more evidence on ur misguidance. it doens't stop me making the village 'private' today, i can still access it and view everything :)

I said:

Also how would you like to solve the dilemma for this hadith"

Prophet said: 'After me there will be twelve caliphs, corresponding to the number of the Imams of the Bani Isra'il.'"

I would like to know based on Sunni doctrine who can be these 12 imams?

Khalidi said:

Actually, your relation of the hadeeth is incorrect. The more authentic version of it is, the Day of Judgement will not come until 12 leaders from among Quraysh will rule.

Tell me Ahooee, was Yazeed from Quraysh? Muawiya (R)? Marwan?


It is a clever of refuting. I bring my justification based on an Ahlesunnah Hadith then you say the Hadith cannot be confirmed as authentic. Why? Because some people in Ahlesunnah do not want it to be authentic if in deed it is. If this is the case let's not waste time and arguing here. Because what ever is said you would say "actually this is not the right Hadith , the right one is ?."

SilkySword...why even bother joining? Although you have knowledge you would like to impart, you seem to want to do it filled with hatred. Also, I have read a few of your posts and you are always making your journals private or telling people they can e-mail you "privately" should they want hate literature. If you believe in what you preach then why do it privately? What are you afraid of? You are in no way exemplifying a good person when you do that. Join the discussion but stop the hating. Anways, I have one question I want to throw out there. The title of this entry is Who Says Muslim are Allowed to Select Kalifa, did anyone ever think that having caliphite and having imamat are two different things? Even Yazid the jerk was called a caliph and he was (a caliph is the head of the state) and imamate is something that is ordained by Allah (SWT) that no one can question. Isn't true that Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman all during their "caliphate" consulted with Ali? Yes they did? Why ? Because there was a separation between the one who ruled the state and the one who had superior religious knowledge. Something to think about for Shias and Sunnis.

I'll join here soon.

calm down khanaseeb, I'm not comparing a sahabi to another sahab, you don't have to take offense because Abu Bakr al Siddeeq's nickname is as such. The common nickname I know for Sayyidna Ali is Asadu Allah (unless you find that one offensive too).

Mehnazmd, Molly the moose died last year :(

we know only one siddeeq akbar that is Hazrat Ali(as)

The keeper, dont tell me you traded in you kitty for a pet moose or my whole argument will blown to bits #: ! P: :P

LOL @ "chimney sweeps and latrine workers." Buddy, all I am gonna say is before making WILD and grossly inaccurate assumptions about the beliefs of any particular religion/sect, at least have the curtesy to look up some genuine books/articles on their beliefs as opposed to the propoganda of, as mehnaz so eloquently put it, illiterate chimney sweeps and latrine workers. I challenge you to show me any AUTHENTIC/RESPECTABLE shia text that elevates or, as you put it, "throws" any being/person inbetween the clear heirarchy of Allah and his prophet Muhammad PBUH. Sorry for not indulging you beyond a comment or two but that's about all the time I have for naseeb for now.

And I see why you would defend your brother Desihulk, but in all honesty, if a sunni person came on here with simple two liner provoking comments, you guys would say the same thing. I'm not sure I can defend a person like that myself whether they are surprised about a comment or otherwise. All they do is instigate and wreak havoc.

hmm...so you're saying all these books which are referenced to be authors from Iran are fake?...ya I guess I should do some research and see if they do exist. They may be made up after all right?

and by the way Mehnaz, I resent that remark, I had a cat at one point in time

Lol, keeper, you really are something. You believe things more when they have letters in parenthesis after them. YOu actually believed the "is shias muslims?" list drawn up by the most junglee Pakistanis called Sipah-e-Sahaba, haq chaar yaar. If you like lists, see if Imam Hanafi or Imam Shafi'i have any, dont turn to chimney sweeps and the latrine workers to make these lists, because most of the the things you believed from that list are absolute lies, they dont exist in any book, and nobody believes most of them. Its liked me making a list, "Are the_keeper canadians?" and then citing " he roller blade when clearly canadian play hockey, he keeping cat when clearly canadian have animal like moose and northern geese, he wear tshirt when clearly it snowing in canada too cold". I mean, I dunno, I guess you dig that kinda thing. I guess thats why DesiHulk is surprised as to where you get your fabricated tripe from. peace out.

"To me, Allah is who I lvoe most, and his Prophet s.a.w. is who comes next, if you manage to throw anything else in between or somehow sneak any other individual in there, then something is definitely not right." Is this dude on crack? Where does he come up with this kind of fabricated/inaccurate tripe about shia beliefs"

Hey Desi, before you do your usual sh!tdisturbing, make an effort to take a look at the journal "are shia muslims?" ... it's all cited information from books, so definitely some people believe in it. That's where it's from, next time make sure before you make a fool of yourself. And while you're at it, you might want to check if it's all fabricated, because all you seem to do is come in here with your two liners and get on people's nerves and leave, I'm still waiting for the day you make a constructive comment rather than the simple-minded smart-alleck ones.

Khanaseeb, I have heard of this on several occasions long before even meeting Silkysword, so it really wasn't him that had that influence on me believing in it.

Sharara, nice of you to hold on to that one comment, I am still working on getting some proofs of that which I mentioned, but in all honesty, will anyone listen anyway if it's sunni proofs, really???? would you? it seems to be a difficult question to answer. You already made it known it's fabrication in your theory, so I guess should I really go to ther trouble of researching it again?

And no Mehnaz, I do not condone someone talking about another person's sister or mother on any scale, but to your surprise, the answer is no, I doubt I would fight fire with fire if someone went low enough to call my sister or mother something, not sure I would go to the same level of slander. I WOULD try to be the better person. But hey, emotion sometimes gets the best of us right? (not saying I am innocent of that either, but to that extent of insulting and slandering family, not my type of arguement, sorry)

And by the way, the slandering of sahaba, definitely, I'm talking about Sayyidna abu bakr , umar , and uthman, being ones that are never safe from peoples' attacks. You people even took offense when I mentioned how Abu Bakr was the Prophet's (s.a.w.) closest friend. He is the one that gave him the name Siddeeq as far as I know. You might want to check what that word means, I don;t think the Prophet s.a.w. would be wrong in his assessment with all do respect to whoever is making up things about those sahaba.

Keeper says "To me, Allah is who I lvoe most, and his Prophet s.a.w. is who comes next, if you manage to throw anything else in between or somehow sneak any other individual in there, then something is definitely not right." Is this dude on crack? Where does he come up with this kind of fabricated/inaccurate tripe about shia beliefs? Hey buddy, time to get back on that high horse of yours . . . pulling your head out of his arse might be a start . . . you are not fooling anyone coming in here with your biased, inaccurate and misleading "facts" and trying to pass it off as objective. Mehnaz, quit wasting your time with these tools. They are so not worth it.

when they lost all the arguments and have nothing to say then shias are likened for jews and abdulla bin saba is brought in picture
hey KEEPER where were you when SHITTYSWORD said such an stupid thing to SISTER222 , and many times he has attacked personally to shias and MEHNAZMD, it doesnt make any difference to us, shias lived through the tyranny of bani umayya, banu abbas, aale saud, and saddam maloon, i am sure there are palestinian shias in tyrant sharons regime, and after all this we survived alhamdolillah , Verily Allah is the best planner

lol talking of "hypocritical" couple of times position held by sunnis on certain issues is evident or indicates hypocrisy...since its seems its hard for them to take a side of good or bad..anyhow!

In regards to this: what occasions? who was the person you learnt this from? now this is what i am talking about fabrication.....
"And about Abdyullah bin Saba', I've learned that on several occasions but don;t you worry your lil' mind, I will bring the proofs (although it's ironic you won't even accept them as they will be sunni proofs)."

nope, me and khiladi have our debates just fine. If you scroll back, you will notice that whenever he and i are having a reasonable debate, or you and i have a reasonable, somebody interrupts the whole thing and brings hostility into the picture, rendering all intellectual discourse as useless. khiladi knows and i have told you as well, that i am ready for a civil debate, but it has to happen free of hostility.

you said i 'replied fire with fire", ok, so dont fire at me, i wont fire back. simple.

which sahabas did i insult? Last i checked, yazid and muawiyah are not "khulafa rashidun", it doesnt say anywhere in the Quran that reavealing their actions from legitimate historical sources is wrong. Dont get mad at me, go yell at the hadith. I am simply telling you what they say. If somebody did something so bad, that relating his actions comes as an INSULT to him, then I would wonder about that person.

slander? mothers? well, if somebody calls your sister a wh*re, i wouldnt be surprised if you said the same to his mother. If you scroll back (i am sure your fingers are strong enough), nobody's mother was insulted until that person initiated sexual insults. Are sexual insults part of your aqeedah? When sexual insults are brought in, things get personal. And the initial slanderer has brought his own mother in as fair game.

However, it is interesting, keeper, you wont stop a brother from hurling sexual insults at a woman, but you bring it up when she has the ball$ to reply back. thats interesting.

I would like to see that yard-stick that you are measuring your every word with....

weak arguements = every time khiladi asked you a solid question in all the previous journals, you failed to answer and avoided them.

cursing = you definitely replied fire with fire even if the others from "my side" did curse. So I'm not making anything up.

insults = don;t even make me go there, this journal space won;t be long enough for every time you insulted sahab or people who are trying to protect their image.

slander = Slandering all the blessed sahaba is a given, I've seen it happen every other sentence,...and hey, in my humble opinion, going out and calling someone's mother names and saying she does this and that, last I checked that was slander!

I don't come up with stuff out of the air. I actually measure every word I type or say, more than I can say for some individuals.

weak arguments? cursing? insults? slander?

scroll back on every comment of every journal in this village. the cursing and insults come from people on YOUR side.

wake up.

wow, tough stuff coming from someone who says "you dont like Ali because you're jealous"...back to grade 2 we go eh?...how am I supposed to take any of your comments seriously when you present that kind of logic (or lack of).

I'm impressed how you will acknowledge only what suits you as well, makes you hypocritical. You don't answer the questions when you;re corned, but am impressed by "choosing"...you do choose well what to answer to, and pick carefully what to pick on and to argue with such that you don't show your true weaknesses, but shows your limited knowledge and capability to defend your own beliefs.

And just so you know, every description that you so randomly came up with there, just showed me how shallow and lacking in attention you are. so keep em coming.

One more thing, don;t tell me about putting my bias aside when you of all people have no idea what you're talking about or how to do the very thing you are asking others to do. Another sign of YOUR ignorance and shallowness.

Here is an applause for you, you're defeating your whole purpose and arguement right from the fundamentals.

and FYI, I do put logic first and put religion aside whenever I look at arguements, some people have come up with very decent arguements, but from you it's hard to see anything but elementary school type of arguements and behaviour. So in my mind, I can have a constructive, social, and objective debate with someone mature and ready to talk with no bias.

But when the other party, once again pointing out how WEAK your arguements are and YOUR method, only curses people, insults, AND SLANDER (sounds familiar?..you're the master of slandering where it matters most), and come off being sarcastic, condescending and showing absolutely no respect for anyone besides a shia person, you will hardly be listened to or taken seriously by most people for that matter.

And about Abdyullah bin Saba', I've learned that on several occasions but don;t you worry your lil' mind, I will bring the proofs (although it's ironic you won't even accept them as they will be sunni proofs).


And by the way, your final comment of shia never massacring anybody, give your head a shake, you obviously haven't read anything about what happened in lebanon since the Palestinians were forced there and other surrounding countries, but it's ok, you're the minority, so that's not considered massacring right? your numbers were MUCH greater, so it';s ok and this can go unnoticed....get your head checked, you need it.