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Why do ?Good? Muslims move to or live in the ?Evil? west?


This is a very serious question. Not meant to be an attack. My comments get banned as much or more than yours. I am on constant moderation and I am not conservative.

Someone help me here. I cant figure this one out. I was in Canada last week and the Mullah is up on stage (wedding) talking about the morally corrupt West, and on and on and on. Seems the same here in the States and in Europe.


For the life of me I cant understand why they are here then? Lets look at this logically?.FOR ONCE!

Why would a Muslim move to an evil/morally corrupt country and raise their children there?

I wonder what if anything they like about the West? I mean if you take the effort to move to another country surely there must be something good about it. All they can say is the West is waging war on Islam.


About the only thing I can think of is financial gain.

In Islam it is wrong to engage in wrong activities for financial gain. Such as Liquor sales or anything else that is forbidden in Islam.


I don?t care if you yourself are directly involved in those activities. Our economy is so great because of them, and therefore you prosper because of ?sin?.

Let me explain. Our economy is great because people spend money. They make it true, but if it was not spent the economy would not be as good as it is. Therefore less money would be made. It?s a cycle. The Mullahs and Fundamentalists bash the Fashion, music, alcohol, movies, TV shows and just about every form or entertainment out there. Not to mention the Media ads in magazines and newspapers.



Lets start by taking fashion out of the economy. The media ads, the retail space, the models, and sales clerks. Trucking jobs, the companies who make the retail shelving and displays ...etc...etc....Think of how many jobs are involved. How much money is changing hands because of it? I mean how many stores would be at the mall? How many different designs of hijab are there


Again with Alcohol. Take out the manufacturing jobs, the media dollars spent, the trucking and shipping dollars spent, the retail dollars and the taxes. Local, State and Federal.


Music and Music videos-Again take out the retail , print shops, taxes etc??


Movies-Again the same. Take the money out of our economy.

Go thru everything the ?Good? Mullahs want to get rid of and what do we have left? Basically a bad, if not dead economy. Much like the ones they left to come here.


Here to spread Allahs Message? Good try, but there are many Muslim countries that could use the message. If they were so keen to help they should start with their own societies. What Muslim country is living in what they would call an Islamic society? Why aren?t they there?



To change Western policy? Come on now. If there is anything we as Muslims have failed at as a group, it is becoming part of the system and actually being heard.



Quite the contrary. In their free time they sit around at Dinner Parties or the Mosque and complain away. While during the day supporting the very policies they hate so much.



Let me explain again?

We give approximately 35% of our income to the "evil" US government and to ensure that our lifestyle of sin is maintained, and to fight the Muslim terrorists. Between FICA and sales tax you are personally responsible for funding the war against Islam and supporting our evil regime. So if the ?Good? Muslim has a decent job making good money they are making sizable contributions to the Evil Western Regimes.



Again I ask why are they here? I was born here, and I like it here. I am not against voicing your opinion or becoming part of the system and trying to change things. That?s the American/Western way!

What I don?t like are people who cant think of one good thing about our Countries, yet continue to stay and or immigrate?

If I really thought this place was so bad..... I would move.... I really would.

Why would you stay in a place you feel is morally corrupt. Raise your family here and expose them to sins they will/might fall prey to?

If any of you can think of a valid reason for them to be here please let me know. I would think that any "Good" Muslim would not want to live and support what they hate so much.
 

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Login to find out (May 13, 2005 at 12:27am)
Riz: You've touched raw nerves here.......America's the greatest country in my opinion...the triumph of modernity and the culmination of ideas since the ancient Greeks began to ponder the ideal state...of course we can say that recent history has rightly distorted that image, but given some time, there is still hope for America retain that great ideal..............But for some reason Bush's answer to the question 'Why do the hate us?' seems to make sense for some Muslim people's in America at least: the answer being 'They don't like our freedom'. Freedom means you allow the good and bad, virtues and vices to exist hand in hand. But some Muslim peoples, in an attempt to appease self-guilt, try to play both cards...eat the fruits of freedom - education system, health system, welfare system, right of speech, of action, right to choose and discard a faith, right to practice however you like, to drink, have physical relationships, and a host of other freedoms - but then cuss the very system that provides and sustains them. One can be critical of America in many respects. I understand the dislike for a government for some of its policies. But this hatred for the entire system - hatred for the freedoms themselves - is overawing. I don't live in America and I love the freedoms it has, wishing some of those we available here. And it boggles me to see some Muslim peoples take those freedoms for granted.
 
Login to find out (May 13, 2005 at 12:27am)
not for my software type , I looked =(....Microsoft just aquire navision 2 years ago so its not really in demand yet.
 
Login to find out (May 12, 2005 at 11:00pm)
I am have my commercial contractors liscense too. Bought a commercial property here in Texas and like you said. Save money.

I would think that a Microsoft Software Specialist is very in demand in Kuwait, Dubai etc...I know many Americans that have gone there to work.

They pay great. And NO TAXES>
 
Login to find out (May 12, 2005 at 1:26pm)
I am independent software consultant (self employed), and I work with small businesses implementing small business solutions. I most only deal with a software called navision (microsoft version of my SAP). So basically I am a silent partner and they set me up with clients around chicago and neighboring areas. I sell, implement, and trouble shoot the software, and I sometimes deal with other softwares like Great Plains, Solomon, Real World. Right now I am in middle of opening a cafe out by my area, so that keeps me running around, if oyu know anything about being a general contractor (i become the general contractor to save money, desi way), it keeps you moving all day long! lol
 
Login to find out (May 12, 2005 at 12:48pm)
What line of work are you in Aim?
 
Login to find out (May 12, 2005 at 12:11pm)
zztop, do you want to give me saudi citizenship? I am assuming you havent travelled there much , becuase they dont issue citizen ship and the jobs there are not stable, they are known to "boot" you when they feel like it. In my area of work, I dont have many options outside this country, and especially since I am born here, I do not hold a citizenship to any other country. By Allah, if he gives the opportunity, inshallah I will take it. Most of the khaleeji (gulf) countries were the standard of living is like here, they do not issue citizenship and hard to get work visas in countreis such as Oman, Saudia, Kuwait, Qatar, and so on.
 
Login to find out (May 12, 2005 at 12:08pm)
kingriz: as far as all those things that are listed, they are the responsiblity of the government to contorl. If they were ruling the country right, the people would not be surrounded by these types of things. It is not the law makers that make things legal and not legal for you all? First off I dont plan to raise my kids in this country, not at all. Inshallah I plan to move somewhere else. Id rather have my kids grow up in a Muslim environment rather than a kafir environment (although the "muslim" govts have MANY flaws due to their rulers). When the time comes for eduction wallah hu alam, if they need to come here for a good education than Allah will grant it inshallah, but they will have Islamic roots in them and learn that Islam has its things against this. As far as raising kids here, its all about the parents. Alhamduluillah I know MANY brothers and sisters that were raised here and because of good parenting, they mashallah VERY good muslims. Many of them have become hafizs and what not. BUt personal opinion it is much harder to raise a good muslim here rather than a muslims dominant country. Yes they have alocohol, clubs, etc there but in school and majority of society, they are taught Islamic values which they grow up with. Alhamdulillah my sister in law was raised here, she has not been affected by such things, mashalah she is an alima, wears niqab, prays tahjjad as well as my brother, he is the same way. It is very possible but it would be foolish to say that its not easier to raise better kids in a muslim dominant society. As far as the "devils work", the shayateen are eveywhere. Rasulullah (S) brought Islam in the middle of the jahilliyya where drinking, fornication, gambleing, intrest, and etc were as common as breathing. So to run from the devil is not really an option but the way to fight him is through knowledge and implementation of your deen to the best of your ablility.
 
Login to find out (May 12, 2005 at 10:41am)
You can make a LOT of money by working in tax-free havens like Saudia or Qatar or the UAE. And those are Muslim countries with a 1st-world quality of life (infact, the cities of Dubai and AbuDhabi are world class cities) . Whats keeping you from not moving to those countries, Aim786?
 
Login to find out (May 11, 2005 at 3:59pm)
No AIM you said you did not like the Kafirs here and the kafir rulers. The alchahol, interest, dress, entertainment....Ring a bell?

The only thing you like is that you can make money here. Other than that you dont like the US> I say you can make money anywhere. Why raise your kids in an envoiroment like this. Your daughter will sneak out her window and change clothes on the way to school becuase he dad is closed minded as far as she in concerned. Your son will be confused. On one hand he will want to party and chase women on the other he will want to be a good Muslim as his father says. Why tempt him with the Devils works?
 
Login to find out (May 11, 2005 at 12:20pm)
Like I have said America has many oppurtunities but Thier killing of innocent muslims is ENOUNGH to hate the government. I dont have any problem with the regular masses of people, because they have NO idea what is going on. They are oppurtunities but hey arent free zz. We pay LARGE amoutns of taxes so how cna it be free, we PAY for it!
 
Login to find out (May 11, 2005 at 7:06am)
Let's face it, isn't the reason for dislike of America is it's foreign policy? I mean, do Muslims generally have any beef regarding unemployment, highways, the local PTA, or pretty much any domestic issue? It's all foreign policy, folks. You can be a red-blooded American but hate every aspect of US foreign policy. And that's cool. And it doesn't make you a hypocrite for living here - so long as you oppose and and try to change it.
 
Login to find out (May 10, 2005 at 9:44pm)
Zztopp, that sentiment has been expressed before in this village...it falls on deaf ears. Having lived 5 years in Japan, let me clarify that japanese are a nationalistic people but not racist...but overall, i agree with your points.
 
Login to find out (May 10, 2005 at 7:50pm)
The way I see it is that if you dont appreciate the opportunities and freedom that you receive in a country, MOVE !! Its not right to take advantage of all that a particular country is offering you, and then sit back on your fat as_s and criticize the cra_p out of it. Make the first step and MOVE to a different country which is more in line with your "ideals". The US still offers the most culturally diverse life and work environment in the world - you wouldnt want to live in racist countries like Japan or Germany would you?
 
Login to find out (May 10, 2005 at 7:41pm)
Raid its funny you name yourself after the spray that kills insects like you
 
Login to find out (May 10, 2005 at 3:39pm)
as you wish
 
Login to find out (May 10, 2005 at 3:21pm)
Thanks for the effort but it seems there's no arguing with you. It's too bad that you can't get over the hump you are stuck at and see the point I am trying to make.
 
Login to find out (May 10, 2005 at 2:45pm)
qriz's family may have not, but we dont assume things about people by their ancestory.
 
Login to find out (May 10, 2005 at 12:36pm)
I sure as hell can't read people's minds and I'm sure QRiz can handle a little constructive criticism. I was merely pointing out that the answer he gave is a "beauty pageant" type of answer. It rests on the same level as "I want to end world hunger" or "bring world peace". I seriously doubt that Qriz's family thought "hm...lets go convert all the Americans" when they set out for the states.
 
Login to find out (May 10, 2005 at 12:47am)
so now people can judge peoples intentions? WOW, everyone is complaingin here about let God be the judge when we provide evidence from the Quran and Sunnnah that liberalism is not part of Islam, and they forget hte basic fact that Nobody has knowledge of the unseen. God is the only one who can see intentions but that one fact they deny, how ironic.
 
Login to find out (May 9, 2005 at 10:51pm)
Riz, I respect you and all but it's sort of being unfair/unrealistic to say that your reason for being in the states is to convert all americans into muslims. It's a cop out answer.