WOW Joy Div was Goth hmmmmm!!! I mean Ian Curtis did have some pretty dark lyrics but Goth hmmmm very interesting. S & B ok yeah I can see that... dark eyeliner and all... BUT Jim Morrison no waaay.

for those yearning for more: i plagiarised from www.scathe.demon.co.uk

sorry that was my musical brain fart for the week...

Bowie, The Doors, and Joy Division as well as Siouxie and the Banshees among others have surprisingly been labeled 'gothic' at one time or another...

However, it's not that simple. The term "goth" doesn't seem to have been commonly applied to the movement until some time in 1983, several years after it had originally been used. In early 1983, the most common term for what became the goth movement was "Positive Punk", or later "Posi-Punk", courtesy of Richard North in the NME (February 1983). Somehow, presumably sometime in 1983, the term seems to have been replaced by "goth". The first usage of the term "Goths" to describe the members of the subculture which I've been able to uncover is in an article by Tom Vague in the October 1983 re-launch issue of Zig Zag (under Mick Mercer's editorship). Describing the audience for Death Cult's Berlin show, he says "...and a pretty motley crew they are too. Hordes of Goths. It could be London..."

Exactly how "goth" became applied to the post-punk musical movement is unclear. The earliest use within the post-punk scene is likely to have been either by Martin Hannett, Joy Division's producer, or by Siouxsie and the Banshees in the summer of 1979 (see below). By late 1979 and early 1980, the term "gothic" seems to have been fairly common in music journalism to describe bands such as Joy Division and the Banshees. In 1981 Abbo from UK Decay used the term "gothic" to describe the emerging band movement. Then later, probably about 1982, Ian Astbury used the term "goths" to describe Sex Gang Children's fans. On the surface, there seems to be a clear progression here, with the term gothic/goth being used to describe first individual bands, then a movement of bands, then the followers of that movement...'

'Origins of the Name ''goth'':The name "goth" originally came from a Germanic tribe (ie the Goths). The Romans regarded them as barbaric and uncultured, much like the Vandals. "Gothic" was later applied to a style of medieval architecture by critics who regarded it as similarly barbaric and uncultured (something similar happened with the term "Vandal"). The term was later applied to a late 18th/early 19th century style of literature which had a fascination with death and the supernatural.

you know...i always wondered is robert smith really 'goth'? i don't think so though some goths disagree...i think the goth movement adopted him because of the hair and makeup.

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