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7th Rabi-ul-Awwal 1426 (17 April 2005)

Narrated 'Aisha (Radhiallaho anha):
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (sallallaahu'alaihi
wasallam)! Meat is brought to us by some people and we are not
sure whether the name of Allah has been mentioned on it or not
(at the time of slaughtering the animals)." Allah's Messenger
said (to them), "Mention the name of Allah and eat it."

Bukhari Vol. 3 : No. 273


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does this mean that saying bismillah over non-zabihah food makes it OK to eat?
 

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Login to find out (April 27, 2005 at 11:21pm)
hahahaa yup :-D
 
Login to find out (April 27, 2005 at 4:38pm)
heeheehee yup... actually i had finals until last week... i was hiding in my books!!!
 
Login to find out (April 27, 2005 at 3:37pm)
i always do that! it's fun!
 
Login to find out (April 27, 2005 at 1:40pm)
go for it J.
 
Login to find out (April 27, 2005 at 9:07am)
and shwarma king if/when bkp gets boring.
 
Login to find out (April 27, 2005 at 8:49am)
oh, that should be bkp: boston kabob and pizza ;-)
 
Login to find out (April 27, 2005 at 8:48am)
no, 'laziness' is not an excuse for what has been outlined in qur'an 2-173. just stick to bpk and inshallah all will be good.
 
Login to find out (April 26, 2005 at 7:03pm)
Login to find out (April 26, 2005 at 7:01pm)
The omission of tasmiyah is not enough to make the meat haram it is when it is slaughtered in the name of another that makes it haram, hence all the references to become a polytheist and shirk by eating the haram meat...but of course it is always preferable to eat zabiha, Allah ul Aalim...
 
Login to find out (April 26, 2005 at 6:58pm)
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 7:45pm)
only out of necessity, without will-ful disobedience, and without transgressing due limits are we permitted to eat otherwise.
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 7:44pm)
more haram: 'O ye who believe! Eat of the good things that We have provided for you, and be grateful to Allah, if it is Him ye worship. He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 7:40pm)
no, baba :(
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 7:32pm)
because it was understood that the slaughters of said animal were indeed muslims, not simply people of the book.
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 7:29pm)
and the interpretation of the above hadith: ?This is what is understood by the context of the Hadith since the answer of Nabi to the question was, 'Say Bismillah and eat.' It is as though they (questioners) were told, 'That is not your concern, rather what should concern you is to consume it (wholesomely in the Sunnah manner) by saying Bismillah before partaking thereof.? (Fathul Bari vol.9 pg.793; Qadeemi)
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 7:28pm)
and the source: www.albalagh.net
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 7:27pm)
the interpretation: Meat is not in the same category as other food items.
The most important condition is that tasmiyah (pronouncing the name of Allah) be performed at the time of slaughter. The verses clearly explain the impermissibility of the meat of those animals whose slaughter was not preceded by tasmiyah.
The impermissibility of the meat of those animals whose lives were ended by means other than Zabah (Shar'ee slaughter) of which tasmiyah is a condition. All such animals are Maytah (carrion) and are expressly forbidden.
The Zabiha (animal slaughtered) by a Kafir (non-believer) or Mushrik (polytheist) is haram (unlawful). However, those Ahlul Kitaab (People of the Book) who also believed in the requirement of tasmiyah at the time of slaughter have been excluded from the Kuffaar majority.
The verse number 121 of Al-An'am explains consumption of meat not slaughtered with tasmiyah as fisq - transgression and disobedience. The verse then explains that to regard consumption of such meat as halal is nothing but a teaching of Shaytaan to cause division among the Ummah. The verse also warns that obedience of Shaytaan in this matter is akin to Shirk (ascribing partners to Allah).
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 7:26pm)
folk: this is really good. first, here are the cites to the holy qur'an. ?For every nation We have specified a rite (for slaughtering) so that they may take the name of Allah Ta'ala upon (the slaughter of) the animals granted to them as sustenance.? (Al-Hajj 22:34)
?And consume not of that whereupon the name of Allah Ta'ala was omitted (at the time of slaughter). Indeed it is a transgression. Verily the Shayateen inspire their friends to cause division with you. If you obey them, you are indeed Mushriks (ascribing partners to Allah).? (Al-An'am 6:121)
?So take the name of Allah upon them (at the time of slaughter) while they stand in rows.? (Al-Hajj 22:36). In reference to Camels which are slaughtered by Nahr (a swift stab of the neck which severs the four arteries) while standing.
??and such animals upon which they mention not the name of Allah only to fabricate a lie against him.? (Al-An'am 6:138)
?Forbidden to you are Maytah (carrion), flowing blood, the flesh of swine and that slaughtered for other than Allah as well as the (animal) expiring by strangulation, illness or pain, falling (from a height), by a wound (sustained through fighting) and by falling to a predator and (about to be consumed), excepting those (animals) upon which you effect Zakah (Shar'ee slaughter).? (Al-Maidah 5:3)
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 3:50pm)
i tend to use Quran over hadith when making such decisions... besides there is too much we don't know when it comes to hadith... perhaps these people who brought the meat to the Prophet(saw) were one of the companion or known people of the book (as it's ok to eat their food as per the Qur'an)... so i don't think we can't just take a hadith out of context to draw a ruling from it as we tend to do everytime we want to "bend" the rules.
 
Login to find out (April 25, 2005 at 11:45am)
I was taught reading the Kalma while slaughtering rather than slaughtering in a prescribed way is more crucial and that Zabiha should be preferred over Non-Zabiha.